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started the war, killed millions, deported thousands, occupied millions = victory ….(only on rasha)
History is written by the victors.
Same for Columbus Day in America, are we celebrating the discovery of a new continent or the guy who paved the way to generations of conquerors and slavers?
I think you mean Great Britain. Because nobody did as much conquering and had as many slaves as the British.
The Ottoman Empire had the US and GB beaten on the quantity of slaves and longevity of the practice, the Ottomans were still engaging in slavery into the 20th century. Also your Marxist hate-Colombus narrative is dumb and ill-founded. Personally I’m sympathetic towards the Native Americans who are no longer the largest population group on the continent they once dominated but in reality they themselves were engaging in conquest, slavery, human sacrifice and even cannibalism before and after Colombus. There is no group of people on this planet who are blameless and the population of the entire world is better off being connected the way we are now with the current global system. We should work to make the world we live in good for everybody and part of that means putting Marxist ideology in the same place we put NAZI ideology, they are essentially twins after all.
“putting Marxist ideology in the same place we put NAZI ideology, they are essentially twins after all.”
Man you clearly aren’t very smart
The word “NAZI” is derived from “national socialist” and the early version of this political party was the “Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei” or Nation Socialist German Workers Party. Guess who that sounds like? Hitler himself publicly identified as a socialist and often spoke on the subject, even referencing Marx directly. It’s no coincidence that they began WWII allied with the Soviet Union. From the post-war period through today Marxist governments in South America, Asia and Africa have murdered ~150 million people in various democide programs. Whatever your crazy college professor told you, you don’t want to align yourself with those murderous totalitarians. Or another way to think about, when have the people burning books ever turned out to be the goodguys?
Your entire reasoning behind the Nazi’s being Socialist is that they have “Socialist” in the name. Well then, by that logic North Korea is a democratic republic.
You completely ignore the fact that the Nazi’s privatized industry en masse, and that they believed private property was in the absolute best interests of the German people as a whole. You simply cannot get more un-Socialist than that, it’s simply the exact opposite of what Socialism is. Oh, and there’s the simple fact that German Communists were among the first to be sent to Concentration Camps by the Nazi’s in 1933.
Funny that you brought up book burning, considering Nazi’s burnt the books of Karl Marx, such as The Communist Manifesto.
Your understanding of history is completely warped.
Yes, fascism competes with the other major left-wing socio-economic model which is socialism/communism. Fascists believe in unifying state and corporate power which is not at all dissimilar to the socialist/communist’s desire to place the means of production in the hands of the state(which is definitely not “the people”). All those paths are totalitarian, if you’re advocating any of them your moral compass is askew.
For decades leftists have been trying to obfuscate the fact that Hitler was a self-identified socialist and the Nazi party was a socialist party by using the “no true Scottsman” fallacy yet you yourself offered a perfect example in the form of the Democratic People’s Republic Of Korea that all states built on Marx-derived ideology are oppressive totalitarian regimes. There is no version of a communist or socialist state that can operate without significantly curtailing free enterprise, the market economy and individual liberty.
As for Hitler, there’s a ton of quotes of him advocating socialism throughout his career and you can find them with a simple search in the engine of your choice but for the sake of brevity I’ll leave the audience with this one;
“National Socialism derives from each of the two camps the pure idea that characterizes it, national resolution from bourgeois tradition; vital, creative socialism from the teaching of Marxism. – January 27, 1934, interview with Hanns Johst in Frankforter Volksblatt”
that all states built on Marx-derived ideology are oppressive totalitarian regimes
So are nations built around the far-right, see modern Poland, Hungary, Israel and Turkey for obvious examples.
This debate is out of place to begin with – extremes (call them however you will, I’m uncluding both communism and fascism here) will never bring anything but suffering, controversy and disorder. If anyone thinks otherwise, they support said extreme ideologies.
I’d live in Poland any day of the week, bro.
Anonymous, I’m glad to see you recognize extremism in any form is a bad thing. I completely agree.
“There is no version of a communist or socialist state that can operate without significantly curtailing free enterprise”
Well there you go. You just admitted yourself that the Nazi’s weren’t socialist. As I have already stated, the Nazi’s privatized everything that they could, they placed a massive emphasis on the importance of private property. That is the exact opposite of what socialism is.
Oh we’re quoting Hitler of all people now, are we. That’s always cool.
“‘Socialist’ I define from the word ‘social; meaning in the main ‘social equity’. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. Our adopted term ‘Socialist’ has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.”
–Speech given on December 28, 1938
False the 4th Volume of Das Capital only classifies capitalism with all production are made by companies employed more than 50 people, there is no such thing as true capitalism. Socialism and Marxism allow partnership and private companies with less than 50 employees.
Started the war? Somebody failed history class in school lol
What is funny is that even if Stalin killed tens of millions (hystorians still debate if is only a couple of tens of millions or more), the big percentage of that tens of millions being Russian people and now they cheer him and are proud of him even if most in the plaza applauding statistically have at list one ancestor killed by Stalin
At list German people are ashamed of nazi regime and Hitler killing 6 million vast majority non German
That’s false. There might be a few people here and there but they are an extremely small minority. There are countries in Western Europe that still hold Nazi parades for example.
Britain killed 600 Million Indians in India
so Russia must have done the same thing.
Reverse logic propaganda 101
Projection and Equal-Blame-Everyone
Also Americans killed at least 200 Million Indians in America.
So China killed 10 Million Chinese.
All sin projection
Communism has killed over 100 million people across the world.
But people still cling on to this total failure.
Colonialism killed over 2 Billion people across the world in the Victorian Age alone,
But people still criticizing Communism for ending colonialism.
Wow. More than twice the world’s population was killed in 64 years? Impressive!!! It’s a wonder the human species didn’t go extinct yet alone entered the 20th century with roughly the same population it had in the 19th.
You know… Pandemics are also a time of prosperity. If many people die, more land is left for the ones alive, making their work way easier. However this soon ends, since the people left alive breed more.
Pandemics are not a time of prosperity. What an absolutely ridiculous and disgusting comment. I sure do hope you feel ashamed, you should expect better of yourself.
You really don’t know history. After the Black Death an amazing period followed.
And following the Spanish Flu, the world experienced a massive depression. To say pandemics are a time of prosperity because of what you said, is absolutely idiotic and still disgusting.
It was 10 more years until that happened, not really what I’m implying here. 10% of population could not make that much of a major impact (Roaring 20s?). Then again, I don’t really know if the previous scenarios will repeat, just keep in mind that death, wars and plagues are the normal of history, and that the peace we live in today, that lasted almost 80 years, is a historical anomaly that can end at any time.
I thought you kinds of ultraconservatives and anti-abortionists care about unborn babies and dead fetuses. The total death is the human induced hunger, disease, infant mortality and more. Why use a gun when you can use weapons of mass destruction such as siege warfare and bioweapons?
“We have killed this many people, the Russians cannot be better than us! So evidence free smear! They killed more! And they are using Whataboutaism to shift the blame!”
Says the Anglican penal colony countries.
man all these historical debates makes me wanna grab the popcorn and enjoy the show, both of them.
The madness that covered the world barely disappeared after many sacrifices, but now, about 100 years later, the shadow of war is hitting the world again. The gap between rich and poor, superpower competition, nationalism… And sadly, I live in a country in the middle of a future war.
Same, can’t wait to be the battlefield!
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