Soviet TD Branch Rework Proposal

Made by DeadArashi, our dear TAP reader.

So as people are probably aware by now WG are planning on changing and, rather frankly, screwed up the Obj 263 line. Personally I’m against the change as it removes a rather unique TD from tier 10. So I’ve been digging around trying to find anything and everything I can to put onto the line and I think I have the perfect solution now.

Obj 263 line

The “Obj 261” being at tier 8 will confuse people so I’ll do a quick history lesson on the 261 to clarify a mixup by WG (this info is also readily available on the Wiki)

The Obj 261 consisting of 3 designs on the Obj 260 (IS-7) chassis. These are:

  • Obj 261-1: an enclosed forward fighting compartment. It was to be armed with a 152mm M-31 with a muzzle velocity of 880m/s. It was later re-designated Obj 261.
  • Obj 261-2: a semi-enclosed rear fighting compartment. It was to be armed with a 152mm M48 with a muzzle velocity of 1,000m/s. It was later re-designated Obj 262.
  • Obj 261-3: a semi-enclosed rear fighting compartment. It was to be armed with a 180mm MU-1 with a muzzle velocity of 920m/s

And that’s the story behind the Obj 261 and also answers what the Obj 262 is. In short they will be visually similar to and play like the current tier 10 Obj 263. There really isn’t a whole lot of information on them other then a rough estimation on possible armor thickness of 150-215mm of frontal armor.

Impression of the Obj 261-1

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Romanian Tech Tree Q&A Responses

Link to the original article with the proposal

therealisnes: Interesting proposition, thanks for sharing it. Can you tell us some details about the Centurion Mk 5/1 and the CEGA/IND please? Also imagine the shitstorm if the Romanian tech tree got the Zrínyi II earlier than the Hungarians would get it. :D

A: Thanks for the compliment! Anyhow, according to Ion Mihai Pacepa’s damning exposé, “Red Horizons: Chronicles of a Communist Spy Chief”, the Romanian government was able to obtain Western designs through various insidious manners. If you don’t know who Pacepa is, he is the highest ranking officer to ever defect from the Eastern Bloc and was a three-star general of the Securitate (essentially, the Romanian KGB). I know some Romanians that have strong negative feelings about him.

Normally, I wouldn’t give his book much thought. However, one peculiar piece of information caught my eyes. Before I elaborate on it, let me explain what the Cega/Independence (Independence was shorten to IND) is.

According to Pacepa, Romanian intelligence was able to sneakily obtain plans on a “Leopard 2”. However, the plans for the engine were too detailed and complicated to copy and manufacture. As a result, they somehow got the president of the engine manufacturer of the “Leopard 2” to help them out with their troubles. Romania built a husk of the “Leopard 2”. It was pretty much a metal husk, no engines, weaponry, etc. They eventually completed the whole thing. The name “Cega” is a mix of ‘Ce’ from Ceausescu, the Romanian communist leader at the time and ‘ga’ from Gaddafi, the Libyan dictator who was funding Romania’s tank program and whom the tank was intended for. The vehicle wasn’t intended for Romania’s national security and it wasn’t only intended for Libya. It was also an export vehicle which Romania could make a profit from so it another name which was “Independence”.

The reason why i believe this to be true is due to the fact the Cega/Independence had difficulties involving the engine which the TR-77/TR-800 (a spiritual precursor to the TR-85) as well. The TR-85 and TR-77/TR-800 had a West German MTU engine which developed 830 hp. This is very similar to the one on the Leopard 1 which also had an MTU engine.  This is why I believe that the Cega/Independence was actually a Leopard 1.

About the Centurion, this may get a bit political, Romania apparently exchanged Romanian Jewish people for an Israeli Centurion and then wanted plans of the Centurion. They also considered producing the Centurion.

Even though you didn’t ask about the AMX-13, I’ll throw it in here since it’s related. The PLO supposedly gifted a tank which very much sounds like an ex-Israeli AMX-13 to the Romanians. They also considered producing it. I’m in the midst of making an article on the Cega/Independence and will be providing some speculation and skepticism.

You’re definitely right about the Zrinyi II, but I threw it in because why not. I’m happy to remove it, there are enough TD premiums already.

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The Do-217 N-2: Oblique music?

Hi! I’m Kamerad Andreas, a new member of TAP team, I will mostly be posting historical articles regarding aircraft and tanks. I can only hope you will enjoy my posts, as they’re made for you, the reader, to read and to enjoy
My ultimate goal is for you to gain a little bit more historical knowledge regarding a certain topic after a good read.


Today we’re going to take a look at a rather unusual aircraft of the Luftwaffe, the Dornier 217 N-2.


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Romanian WoT Tech Tree Q&A

Before I go on, I have to give FastestClassic a huge thanks for creating the image you see above. Please visit his site and download his tank skins and modpacks for WoT if you like his stuff (link here).

Edit: forgot to mention that a Romanian interactive tech tree which would essentially be the Romanian version of the original Czech interactive tech tree and Mizuyatio’s interactive tech tree will come soon™ and by “soon™” I mean a decent while.

Catching up

For people who haven’t stuck around on this website for a long while, I’ve been working on a Romanian tech tree. It would seem that I have neglected it, but I’ve been trying my best to research new armored vehicles and I haven’t come up empty handed.

Romania’s military archives still haven’t been explored by me and my colleagues, however we have hit the Bucharest Military Museum’s archives and found a decent amount of information, most of which is not really applicable to World of Tanks.

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Do You Want to Become an Expert on the TOG?

A new book has hit the market. If you’re a fan of giant sausage tanks like the TOG-2 and TOG-1, this book may be for you. This book is promising more than 400 pages of accurate information on not only the TOG 1 and 2, but various other side projects and proposals TOG (The Old Gang) group has done. The information is based off of archives from the Australia, Canada, UK, and US so expect detailed, accurate information. Perhaps you should consider purchasing this over your next tier 8 or rank 4/5 premium, I sure will, it’s a steal for 40 dollars ;)

Edit: I mistakenly implemented links for the Amazon homepage. They’re fixed now and will lead to the book.

Amazon US Link
Amazon UK Link



What is the “Super Conqueror” in World of Tanks?

So what is the Super Conqueror? The “Super Conqueror”, in World of Tanks, is a new tier 10 British heavy tank that will be replacing the the old, but fake FV215b. Seemingly, it is a regular Conqueror with additional armor and spaced armor. I’d say that a decent amount of people don’t know what it is, most people know what it’s intended to be, and relatively few people know what it actually is and how it is represented in World of Tanks compared to real life.

The so-called “Super Conqueror”

The “Super Conqueror” that we see in World of Tanks is based off of a static target and a separate blueprint turret design. The name “Super Conqueror” refers to a particular Conqueror with additional protection (shown in the image above) used as a target, however the name isn’t real and likely never had one since it was a static target to be used to test various weaponry and was also never considered as a real combat vehicle. The closest thing to a name for this particular Conqueror is “Conqueror Tanks with Additional Ballistic Protection”.

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“O-I Kai” – potential tier 8 Japanese HT premium

Wargaming has recently been intensively releasing more and more premium vehicles. It is up to you to decide if implementing more is necessary. However, in my opinion if Wargaming really wants to implement more premiums, they should focus on implementing (tier 8) premiums for branches that doesn’t have one before adding more Soviet, US and French tier 8 premiums.

One of the branches with no tier 8 premium is the Japanese HT line (Nameless doesn’t count, heh). If one reworked the HT line like I have proposed in the past, it would be possible to make the O-Ni as a tier 8 premium. That is however only if you rework the line – otherwise it is not possible, unless you copy the O-Ni with buffs (or alternatively a slightly altered O-Ho) into a tier 8 premium. The O-Ni, however, is more or less completely fictional – it is born from some inaccurate artworks, combined together with false information and rumors regarding the actual O-I.

Despite that, I had the O-Ni as a tier 8 premium for the branch. However, after the rework proposal, I have come up with a better idea that can work as a tier 8 premium heavy tank vehicle for the Japanese branch. It is more unique – and somewhat historical… or well, let’s say that the background is at least historical. While the tank itself is more or less a “what-if” idea, the recent changes of Wargaming (such as all of those armor buffs, the Chinese TDs and the upcoming tier 9-10 French heavies, which are basically hull and turret combined together from two different projects, etc.) have opened a door for it.

Meet the “O-I Kai”.

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