Q&A on Chinese Tanks with Will Kerrs

We have managed to contact Will from Tanks Encyclopedia and luckily, he agreed to make a tank history Q&A for TAP. As a specialist on Chinese tanks, Will prefers the 1919-1956 period for the questions, but you can still ask him about newer stuff.

Ask your questions below!

(An article with the answers will come in a few days)

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69 thoughts on “Q&A on Chinese Tanks with Will Kerrs

    1. 113 is a real project, it planed on 1963 which is in Chinese Communist frenetic period, but based on Chinese Industrial level in that time, it never exist. but it has another tank called wz-122 take the feather from 121 and 113.

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  1. – What grounds (% correctness) in history does the current Chinese tech tree have in reagrds to the medium and heavy lines?
    – If you’d could exchange vehicles to make the tree more historically correct
    a: which current vehicles should would you replace?
    b: and which vehicles would be the replacements?
    – In regards to the TD line, would it be possible to create a complete historical correct TD line (even with blueprint projects included)?
    – What are your current thoughts in regards of the proposed TD line in super test?

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  2. Will you ever put back the wz-111-5a as an alternative to the 113 ? Like you can research both the 113 and the 5a through the model 1-4

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    1. Yeah, did you understood that Will is not a guy from wargaming?? He is “just” an historian (and in my opinion, a much more respectable worker than the retarded developpers at wargaming that seems to always shit on the historical values of the tank they implement..). :)

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  3. did tank cooperation of the chinese government with the soviet after the sino-soviet split continue in any form?

    could you tell us about an incident where chinese and russian soldiers fought over a broke down tank prototype on an island in the border region?

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    1. First question, is no. Soviet call all their professionals retreat from China and destroy any blueprints Soviets have that was supposed to pass onto China.

      The Zhenbao Island Incident allowed China to study T-62. So Type 69/79 was developed. And Type 80 is the answer to T-62, but when Type 80 is out, T-62 already obsolete and T-72 is the new Soviet backbone

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      1. What AFAIK is both 121 and WZ-132 (which the only two Chinese tanks in the game said they got nuked, if I recall right) do exist in prototypes. They where not actually destroyed in a nuclear test, but a nuclear war exercise for training purpose. FTR had one or two posts about this story. TBH Chinese tech tree is surprisingly historical compare to the others ,if you do dig into that – before those new LTs in 9.18 as well as the TDs come into the party, of cause.

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        1. I can tell you that an early prototype car of type 69 actually installed the 60-122., but it’s not clear if it matches the game.

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    1. It’s a convention. It is known that type 62 prototype car 132 (not WZ132) and the type 63 prototype car 211 are all used in nuclear tests, with photos as evidence. In addition, the type 62 prototype car 131 (59-16) (not WZ131) is also suspected for nuclear testing.

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    1. 59-16 is prototype car of type 62.
      WZ132 in the game are all unhistorical.Tier8 has unhistorical gun and model.Tier 9 and tier10 are fake tanks.Tier9 was created based on the type 62 prototype car 132.
      It was given fake gun, name and introduction.Tier 10 is a stitched monster, based on type 63HG,type 62-1, WZ131-1, WZ132.

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      1. I’m just cross-referencing what I think with what you say here.
        Which tanks, exactly, are you saying are fake?

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          1. Are you sure that the WZ-132 in game (that is, the one with the non-dished roadwheels currently at tier 8) is unhistorical? I grant you that the guns look dodgy, but what about this photo?

            As i’ll tell you in my response to this Q&A session, the WZ-132s and similar light tank projects from that era are really giving me a headache. I think i’ve got everything sorted, but I just want to check that this image isn’t mislabelled.

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            1. This photo is really WZ132.
              In fact, in the source article of the photo ,only this picture is correct, And the other photos are type 62 of prototype car 132, this is because WZ132 initial code name is also 132 and the author mixed up.
              In addition to gun error, the correct WZ132 should have a more flat turret, because the main gun recoil device is located below the gun.(炮塔更扁由于铸炮反后坐装置在炮塔下方)
              At present, WZ132 has two exposure photos and a side view.
              Please take a look at this article
              https://tieba.baidu.com/p/4939465976#102591660395l

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            2. The first one is 132.
              The second should be 132B converted from 132.China produced at least 28 132. Converting a 132 to 132B for test is possible.
              The third and the fourth are WZ132.

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  4. What tanks are real (I mean, at least that were planned, and had blueprints..) in the chinese tech tree? And if they are like “half” real, why are they not all real?

    Maybe what I’m about to ask is a bit too much, but what could be perfect would be a review of each tanks, detailing what is fake on the way wargaming implemented them (like armor layout, guns, maybe their penetrations, turrets, engines..).

    And appart from that, how real are the different premium tanks of the chinese tech tree (like, for exemple, were the T-34-3 really planned, moreover, with a 122 mm gun? And I read and article on Tanks Encyclopedia explaining how “Type 59 Patton” must be a fake.. Is it still the most probable theory?)

    Thank you for you important work of truth and memory!! :)

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  5. Hello ,Mr Will Kerrs, !
    As a Chinese player, I found a record of the Revolutionary hero tank(功臣号,CHI HA KAI). When it entered the museum, they switched 57mm gun to the original 47mm gun.. Do you have the data or photos of the converted 57mm gun?
    This is the original text:
    1959年,“功臣号”作为革命文物被送进中国人民革命军事博物馆,董来扶不得不挥泪与“老友”告别。临展前,他建议把在战争中更换的57炮换成47炮,“让世人参观,就应恢复原貌,才能永远记住它为中国革命做出的卓越贡献。”
    It is worth mentioning that, the 57mm gun can not be Japan’s 57 gun, it is worse than 47mm gun.

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      1. In addition, China has planned to build a tank factory to produce LT in1942. The project was stopped because the Burma Road was cut off.
        The planned LT completed the aluminum model and produced some parts.
        Do you have any information about this LT?
        Text as follows:

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  6. Given the turret ring diameter of the WZ-111, how compatible would the 111 have been with the Type 59-line of tanks and vice versa, in terms of sharing parts, etc?
    Was there any Chinese tank with a hemispherical turret like the T-62?
    Was the T-34-1 real? I recall that mounting a huge and heavy turret on the T-34 chassis is physically possible with some modifications, but I couldn’t find any source that validated the existence of the 34-1 and 34-2.

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    1. T-34-1 is not a T-34 chassis, though. Based on it, but a new design. Also, it’s probably not real in that I doubt a prototype was ever built, according to Chickentikka’s article it was discarded and T-34-2 was designed instead.

      But I too am interested in hearing what Will knows about the T-34-1, T-34-2 and T-34-3? Is Chickentikka’s description of the vehicles accurate? http://ftr.wot-news.com/2015/01/25/chinese-tank-121-and-t-34-x-series-part-1/

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  7. Thks for this!! I have a very simple question
    The “turreted TD” that You showed here a few days ago….could You see it as a SPG in wot?? Only 76mm gun but it could fit tier 2 like the FT BS or the Lloyd

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  8. q1 in terms of chinese armor is there any kind of potential for a thunderbolt style premium tank? (as in premiums based off of a real historical vehicle)
    q2 is it possible to create another line of chinese vehicles of any types? as an example ive heard some people say that if the wz1115a replaced the 113 then the 113 could get a branch of its own with non pike nosed armor instead of the kinda weird progression we have now. where it goes pike nose tier 8 pike nose tier 9 then no pike nose at tier 10?
    q3 whats the best chinese tank design youve seen thats not featured in wot game? (or if the best one is already present then what is it?)

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  9. Hi Will. I have few questions regarding Chinese tanks guns, Type 80 and Type 85.

    1. Is the Chinese tank guns(59-130T, 60-100T, 62-100T and 60-122T) in WoT real?

    2. How much do you know about Type 80? Is its design are obsolete enough to be in WoT?
    3. Does early Type 85 variants(before 85-IIA) have composite armour?

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      1. On the internet, it seems it has the WZ designation.

        There is no firm reportings on whether WZ-122 prototypes used composite armour. In Armored Warfare, it’s only steel armour.

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        1. With the exception of a few exceptions, a prototype car is not WZ numbered. “WZ1224” is a wrong name. WZ122 is type 80.
          To be sure, 1224 has compound armour. There is no reference to the armour war, and there are all kinds of mistakes.

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      1. not 125mm but 120mm in Historical,that tank was build in 1978,that time China havent get a 125mm smoothbore from Ruissa or others

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        1. If my guesses is right, the 120mm smoothbore is based on the captured 115mm smoothbore, and the Chinese enlarge it to improve performance

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