Q&A – 4th April 2017

Source: Chigrizund

„I’ve spoken to this guy – http://worldoftanks.ru/community/accounts/3132347-_I_F/ who has been responding to player questions in the CT Discussion Thread. My conversation with the developer starts at post #10689 – link (I use the same nickname on RU forums).

The translation is made by me.

Q: Why aren’t you giving free Tier 9 LT to current WZ-132 owners?

A: Because WZ-132 will remain at Tier 8, since it is too weak and can’t be buffed to tier 9.

Developer’s comment: Our decision to retain the 152 mm gun on T49 is another illustration that players’ opinions have a key influence on game development.

Q: If players’ opinion does indeed have a key influence on game development, can you please show me where you asked for players’ opinion re: XP on LT8/9?

A: There is no such thing as too much freebies. No survey was needed in this case [Chigrizund: so as to find out what the players preferences would be, I guess]

Q: Wait a second, where do you see freebies here? The XP on LT-8s was accumulated fairly, in full compliance with your game rules, in tier 9-10-11 battles. Why all of a sudden after the new patch these XP points will be treated as if they had been accumulated in tier 8-9-10 battles? What is the reason for this devaluation of XP?

A: These XP points were accumulated in current realities. The realities will change, so will the tanks.

Q: This does not make sense, can you explain this to me, like I am a third-grader? Besides, this XP had been accumulated in tanks that were, according to your own words, too weak for tier 9 battles? People were playing these unbuffable tanks and now you call them moochers? [Chigrizund: in Russian “freebie” and “moocher” share the same root – халява and халявщик and this part made more sense in Russian]. Are you that full of yourselves there?

A: Let me explain: the new LT-10 should be earned in the new realities, where there is new MM and the LT tech trees are updated and where the LTs are no longer support tanks, but full-fledged combat units.

Q: Hold on, how come WG, when it came to uptiering tanks in the past (KV-3, BatChat25t, SPGs), was very fair to its players, with the exception of a couple of uncharacteristic brainfades?

A: We are being very fair: a free tier 9 LT is, in my opinion, a very good bonus.

Q: So wait, do the players have or have not key influence over game development? Have you ever asked for players’ opinion or given them any choice for you to be able to claim that your solution is fair? Tanks cost silver, XP points cost gold – there is a fundamental difference. Your decision re: XP points on LT8/9s, if we cast aside all the silly arguments, is motivated by greed, nothing else. It does not relate to game balance, where developers can and should, occasionally, disregard players’ opinions. It is directly related to your desire to squeeze more cash. Perhaps you should acknowledge that and stop your spin about players’ opinion being important?

<End of discussion>”

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45 thoughts on “Q&A – 4th April 2017

        1. Well if we take the reasoning above its mostly because effectively it was already earned in worse tanks, that had the same MM (Tier 8 lights have tier 9 MM). So why shouldn’t the XP be recognized as earned with a tier 9 tank?

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          1. yes but many players want to unlock a different tank from that tier 8 LT.
            For example what if you were grinding XP for oner year to unlock AMX 30 or BC 25t AP and then WG took away that XP you worked hard for and put it on a tier 9 tank ?

            Or maybe you grinded for T-54 and then WG took away that XP and put it on a tank that only leads to a tier 10 LT ?

            The most fair way would be to exchange all that XP into free XP so you could do anything you please with it… even shove it up your ass if that seems like a good idea to you.

            Neither leaving that XP on tier 8 nor transferring it up to tier 9 isn’t fair way to deal with this problem because in both situations players will get screwed.

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            1. I see two problems with you argument. First, in 3 of the 5 LT lines (German, Russian, American), WG is severing the link between T8 LTs and T9 MTs in patch 9.18. So players in those lines who wish to use their T8 XP to research T9 mediums *will not be able to do so after this patch, anyway.* Keeping the XP at T8 is not doing those players any favors! Second, with enough advance notice–say, a month to grind–those who wished to use their T8 XP to research T9 MTs would have adequate time to do so before the patch. Moving the XP up to tier 9 would give players a choice: research MTs before the patch, or hold onto the XP and use it to research T10 LTs after the patch. This is the approach that would screw the *fewest* players, and put their fates in their own hands. (I researched the T54E1 last night with some of my 250k T49 XP. I would’ve preferred to save that XP for the Sheridan and see if I could grind out enough extra for the E1 before the patch, but WG isn’t giving me that choice.)

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              1. What’s wrong with my argument ? That i want them to give both teams equal fair deal and just transfer the grinded xp into free xp ?
                I never said which team is getting screwed more, hence “Neither leaving that XP on tier 8 nor transferring it up to tier 9 isn’t fair way to deal with this problem because in both situations players will get screwed.”

                I suggest you give my comment another try because i never suggested one thing is better than the other, the only thing i wanted to stress out that the fact that not everybody wants to grind another 100k XP to unlock a tier 10 LT because many players have no real interest in scouts.

                Also i noticed another dick move made by WG and that is the fact that you wond be able to unlock T-54 from a tier 8 USSR LT anymore and THIS RIGHT HERE IS A DICK MOVE !

                They should definitely transfer all that XP into free XP because there is no other “fair” way.

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                1. Yep, sorry, my reading comprehension is shit today. (However, your point about the 54 LWT is exactly one of the points I was making above. The same criticism applies to the T-54E1 and Leo PTA, too. Those will no longer be researchable from T8 lights after this patch.) I can definitely see the argument that converting the XP to free XP would be the fairest way of accommodating those who want to use it for 9 meds, and those who want to use it for 10 meds. But it there would still be problems. E.g., suppose I wanted to research the T-54 from the 54 LWT. After the patch I won’t be able to do that anymore. So suppose WG converts my LWT XP to free XP in order that I can still have that option. Now, in order to spend that free XP on the T-54 I would first have to research all the tanks in the medium line that leads to the T-54. That might mean that I have to go all the way back to the T-34 and start working up from there, which would mean that I could end up having to spend the XP to research a 6, a 7, and an 8 before I unlock the T-54 and can start spending my free XP on the 9. In other words, that could end up costing me a whole lot more total XP than the mere cost of researching the T54 from the 54 LWT. So what now? Give T8 LT players bonus free XP to make up for the longer grinds they may have to do after the “bridge” from T8 LTs to T9 MTs gets severed? I don’t know. It just seems like it’s starting to get extremely complicated.

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                  1. Correction: “I can definitely see the argument that converting the XP to free XP would be the fairest way of accommodating those who want to use it for 9 meds, and those who want to use it for 10 lights.”

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                  2. it’s all tangled and twisted but despite the problem that you mentioned about having to research a full line before you could ie. unlock T-54 still free XP would calm my tits because at least you were given everything “back”.

                    They will probably play dumb and act as it is normal to play dirty so … what can we do.

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  1. ask him why 59-16 is losing its autoloader

    i mean come on..all the tier 6 lights in 9.18 have the same freaking playstyle now.

    59-16 autoloader had a unique playstyle…..

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    1. Sadly,59-16 lost its historical cartridge gun,and WZ131 lost historically installed 100mm gun (as test car of WZ132 for could LT install 100mm gun.),

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  2. All of Wargaming’s decisions *are*, and *always have been* aimed at short term financial gain, even if that means breaking long term game balancing or customer satisfaction.

    – Making premium ammo available for credits (and consumables) was not done for the players (as they claimed) but because premium tanks and premium accounts (needed to facilitate this goldspam) bring in more money.

    – Recent string of blatantly overpowered T8 premium tanks (compared to their peers) bring in more money in the short term but are detrimental to the game in the long run, I mean just look at Skirmishes now, nothing but defenders, patriots, 49’s and some M41 90GF’s to top it off.

    – Flavour of the month tanks, like the Maus and Type 5 now, overbuffing the least popular line on purpose just so as many players as possible rush the line and use free XP/ gold to get the top tanks because they can do better in them than in others. Also the reason why they didn’t nerf the OP110E5 before everyone had one pretty much.

    And the list goes on and on and on and on.

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  3. Q: Why aren’t you giving free Tier 9 LT to current WZ-132 owners?

    A: Because WZ-132 will remain at Tier 8, since it is too weak and can’t be buffed to tier 9.
    Ridiculous!This is the reason for ignoring the history and giving China two fake tanks?
    WG Can create fake tanks but not give WZ132 a weakened historical smoothbore cannon or a fake gun?

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    1. “Because WZ-132 will remain at Tier 8, since it is too weak and can’t be buffed to tier 9.”

      WG must be thinking:
      Buff 132’s armor = Type 59/WZ-120
      Keep the existing guns = Can’t copy and paste to make the WZ-132A

      If they are making fake tanks, pls make it unique…..Why WG+KZ have to make the Chinese tech tree bland as possible

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    2. Yes, it’s patent BS. “It’s impossible to buff this tank, even though we routinely create fictional, paper tanks with all sorts of wild statistics, and have added many historical tanks to the game with performance that has nothing to do with their real-world counterparts.” No, WG. You control the code. You can make the stats anything you want. You are literal gods within the game. There is no such thing as “can’t,” only “won’t.” This is propaganda to rival the best of the Soviets during their heyday.

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  4. Should have just reolar the current t8 with the new ones, and let plater work from there. Guess reason they dont is all the people that already can unlock the t9 anyway. So om the end a free t9 lt and some old do to convert for gold….

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  5. Lemme just say that the guy asking these questions is a straight up asshole. If this is common among Russian players (i.e. the biggest WoT players base), no wonder WG doesn’t listen to them.

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    1. Seriously? These are questions many of the players are asking. Asking these questions does not make you an arsehole – answering them they way they have been answered does

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      1. You guys misread what I said. “the guy asking these questions.” It’s not about the questions he asked; those are fine. It’s how he asked them and provided not out for the developer. This type of probing is not the kind that makes progress; it just does to incite anger and make heads think less clearly.

        “here is a fundamental difference. Your decision re: XP points on LT8/9s, if we cast aside all the silly arguments, is motivated by greed, nothing else. It does not relate to game balance, where developers can and should, occasionally, disregard players’ opinions. It is directly related to your desire to squeeze more cash. Perhaps you should acknowledge that and stop your spin about players’ opinion being important?”

        This section emphasizes exactly what I’m talking about. Many things I could say about it, but the main thing is that the Chigrizund didn’t give WG an out in the conversation. In other words, there was nothing they could say in order to further the conversation in a meaningful way. If criticism is going to be helpful, it has to be constructive; otherwise, it becomes obnoxious noise.

        Congrats to Chigrizund for rallying people behind him and then pitting them unfairly against WG. In the meantime, other people who care will be doing their best to share honest, yet peaceable opinions (to note a few, Dezgames, Quickybaby, and Circon).

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        1. I disagree that Chigrizund is being unfair. He has correctly diagnosed the problem and is not accepting WG’s bullshit excuses. Sometimes the most constructive thing you can do is to let your opponent know that you’re not buying it. Giving WG an “out” when it is in fact wrong merely coddles WG in its bad decisionmaking. If WG wishes to persist in this course, as it appears it will, we have no obligation to make it comfortable. WG should be made clearly aware that a sizable proportion of the player base is pissed off and does not accept its decision. This is not an intimate personal relationship we’re talking about. It’s an arm’s-length commercial transaction between consumers and a service provider. The Frank approach is far more likely to get a good result than appealing to WH’s better nature.

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            1. I understand what you’re saying, and I do see your point. However, I very much disagree. When you actually have the attention of someone, you quickly lose their ear when you’re “frank” (though, we may have a different views of what frankness looks like). That’s not different between an “intimate personal relationship” or an “arm’s-length commercial transaction.”

              Plenty of community contributors have addressed WG’s problems, and the ones I follow the most do so very differently. They don’t mince words; they just say the truth. However, what they do not do is attack WG for their decisions. In my experience (which, as anybody’s, is limited), that doesn’t solve the issue, and it doesn’t make anything better. Instead of creating change, it eliminates the dialogue that was started. And this is especially true when you’re directing your attack at a person in company who may have had nothing to do with the decision (which is likely the case). We do eventually see the dialogue cut off here too (but I admit this does not conclusively prove my point).

              With that said, may I point out that you were frank with me? But, you were not rude or crass to me. It’s not a one-to-one comparison between Chigrizund and the WG employee, but I hope you can see what I mean (not that I expect you to agree).

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  6. -“Developer’s comment: Our decision to retain the 152 mm gun on T49 is another illustration that players’ opinions have a key influence on game development”

    And another illustration that player’s opinions are crap and WG should learn to say “no” sometimes.

    -“the LTs are no longer support tanks, but full-fledged combat units.”

    Yep, that’s exactly why I think this LT change is crap and should not exist. LTs should have a support role. LT’s that can attack and cause serious damages are called mediums. MTs already did a lot of what LTs could do before, so instead of making both class more separate you managed to make them almost identical except one is faster while the other is more armored/accurate (or not…). What’s the point of a separate class ? Leopard 1 and BC25t are better LTS than some LTs, and soviet LTs could almost be MTs…

    And I totaly agree with the last message.
    WG only listens to player when they want to and when it’s beneficial for them. When some players ask for stupid things that kill the game balance some more there is no problem, but when a huge amount of them ask for anything that implies less gold spending / less money for WG, hell they’ll turn deaf… There is no such thing as “being kind” or “listening to players”, there’s just being

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  7. So, you finally can question a dev who cornered himself stating “we listen to players and blablabla”,….
    And off all the topics you could have chosen, you choose to cry about his one???

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    1. I don’t think you quite grasp the situation. One of the devs was responding to player Q&A on the common test thread on the Russian forums. A Russian player (who goes by Chigrizund on Reddit) asked the dev these questions on that forum, then translated that part of the Q&A to English and posted it to the WOT sub on Reddit. Sebastian then copied and pasted that translation here. So when you say, “you finally can question a dev” the “you” in that sentence is Chigrizund (who as far as we know isn’t even here), not Sebastian.

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      1. I know that it wasn’t Sebastian. That you was meant as general. What i really wanted to say is, that if somebody can ask something to a dev who has cornered himself like that. That there are a ton of interresting things to ask, but chosing this subject to whine about is a wasted oportunity.

        You can not fight&win everything in life. The key is to fight for what you can win, and to fight for what gives you the most.

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        1. Well, if you happen to speak Russian and care to pop over to the Russian forums, my wild guess is that they asked the dev many other questions about all sorts of things. This just happens to be the one that got translated to English and posted on Reddit.

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  8. I don’t know if it’s fair to give the free xp to tier 9 tanks or not. There are arguments for both sides, and are kind of close in strength.
    1 thing I can definitely say is that WG got WAY TOO GREEDY lately.
    The fact that players use the greed against WG is WG’s fault 100%

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  9. Free tier IX tanks sounds like a pretty sweet compensation here. Still, the ‘greedy bunch’ wants more?

    Sorry whiners. WG’s game = WG’s rules. Stop crying and bitching.

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    1. Translation: “WG can do whatever the fuck it wants and players aren’t allowed to voice an opinion. You’ll take what you get and like it!” Lol. Sure. I bet that’s exactly how you approach every aspect of this game. GTFOOH.

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  10. To be fair some guy grinding the t49 for the t54e1 losing all his experience toward a tier 10 lt is prob the reason they didn’t move exp

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    1. Yes, but with a month’s warning and liberal use of XP boosters, the guy you just described could pretty easily grind out enough XP to research the E1 before the patch. He would at least have the *option* of putting his T8 LT XP to use without having to buy gold. Conversely, those of us who don’t want the tier 9 med, or who–like me–have already researched the Leo PTA, T-54, and T54E1, are getting no option. Under the current plan there’s nothing I can do to make my T49, 54 LWT, or Ru 251 XP useful without gold.

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