WoWS: Interview with Lesta’s Ship Design representative

Translated by Umbaretz.

Tell us about yourself:

I work in Lesta on designing large surface artillery ships (cruisers and battleships).
Graduated from Leningrad Shipbuilding Institute with a degree in shipbuilding. I.e. was taught to create both civil and military ships. For two years worked in ship repair, serviced nuclear submarines.
I like everything in my current work – from digging in arhcives to the process of recreating a ship which design sometimes have only a few lines in documentation.
I was interested in ships for a long time, from second grade in school, when I read “Book of future admirals”, also my parents were subscribed to “Modelist Constructor” magazine and it had a “Cruiser” series. For the “Battleship” series I had to dig in various libraries.

When did you begin working in Lesta? How was your team assembled? Have you worked in IT beforehand?

I have been working with Lesta for a very long time, ever since “Pacific Storm”, where I was involved in testing on outsource. Later, I was deeper involved in “Pacific Storm: Allies”, where I advised on the hit-location system, the one responsible for the inner modules workings of the ship: armor, compartments, battle stations. Also, initially did the same when WoWs begun, but there I was already making objects inside the ship myself in 3D editor and made descriptions for them. Have been working in IT since 1996.

How do you begin designing paperships, where do you start?

“Paper ship” usually either descriptive part – tactical and techincal elements or graphical part – usually nominal one, too simplified to make detailed 3D models based only on it. For that reason we take materials found as a basis and begin the preliminary design process for the ship. As a result we get theoretical blueprints for ship’s hull, plans for bridges, decks, superstructures, ship projections, armor sheme, internal module layout – powerplant, ammo storages for various weapon systems, steering system.

How do you get reference material? Do you use archives in work? If you do – which ones?

Archives are the primary source of refernce material, because they are the most trustworthy. Monographs, books are secondary sources and they are often plagued with inaccuracies and mistakes made by the author. Often, the stuff written in books doesn’t match with archive data and needs cross-referencing with other sources.

What are the main stages in designing paper ships?

First we determine tactical and techincal elements of the ship using sources available. Elements are usually with real world ships as the paper ships’ possible adversaries – to make the project of the ship’s characterisics as close to reality as possible. Game conventions aren’t taken into consideration – we’re making a proper ship.
Then, when elements are determined we search for prototype that existed IRL and has a lot of archived design documentation. Using protoype as a basis we recalculate for the desired parameters: length, beam and draft, we get theoretical hull design and detirmine displacement for designing waterline. After then, simultaneously with load calculation we create armor and weapon placement schemes. Then we determine stability and distance between frames (sections), create ship projections, plans for bridges, decks, superstructures. Everything that is needed for ship creation in 3D editor, for future in-game armor and module placement. Ship proceeds to preliminary design stage.

How speed, buoyancy, maneuverability of paper ships is calculated?

Speed is detemined using a prototype or a similar ship with a similar engine. Buoyancy is calculated using hydrostatics and theoretical blueprints. We can calculate maneuverablity, but it’s one of the game conventions (balance parameter – tr).

Readers questions:

What are your plans for Alaska and Stalingrad?

We are searching for materials for Stalingrad in archives. We have everything we need for Alaska. About plans to enter them ingame I can’t comment – don’t know about them.

What is the shady ship Buffalo, appearing in the client? Where can I find materials for her? What project it is?

It’s a heavy cruiser project from 16 of september 1940. Called CA-B.
You can find information about her here

Why when creating IJN BB branch classical (give or take) Ishizuchi haven’t gotten into branch, but instead something crazy called Myogi now is into the branch now? AFAIK ships with unique gameplay are made into premiums.

Because we got materials for Ishizuchi much later. Whole preliminary design work has been made for Myogi. It was a huge help that we could find very detailed Kongou before modernization blueprint in Hiiragi archive.

Why Großer Kurfürst is a lump of something and not the exact project from H-40 to H-44? Where have you got triple turrets?

First, in archives we found nothing except H-class battleship project which was laid, but later cancelled. She has a lot of graphic material accompanying her. We haven’t found any data on other projects (in arhcives – tr). Also, there is no data on the 420-mm gun. Instead we have information that during military tech cooperation Germany offered their naval weapons developments to USSR. Particularly, in russian archives we found materials about directors and artillery systems offered for sale. And in those materials we found a longitudinal section blueprint of triple turrets and her main weights table – armor, guns, mechanisms.
Because ship with 8 420-mm guns (parameters for which were calculated) couldn’t do anything against Yamato or Montana we decided to make a design based on the “H” battleship with 4 such turrets. That’s how Kurfürst appeared. During her design materials on “H” and Bismarck were used. Also we used materials for developed (and not quite) 55-mm AA mounts and 128mm DP mounts.

Why German Destroyers have a mix of 128 and 150 mm guns?

Branch shows full development of german DD’s, how they come to use 150-mm guns and how they abandoned them in their latest DD designs. So we can say that game German DD branch is grounded in history.

How long does it take to design a ship from idea to a ready model?

Design can take from one month to two. It depends on the quality of project materials and quality of prototype materials. Sometimes we need to design from scratch. Beginning from weapon systems – sometimes we have contradictory information about them and we have to check it using designs and calculations. For model (3D – tr) it depends on how many artists are working on the ship.

Can you simply extrapolate while working on a ships branch, or are their pitfalls waiting for you?

There are a lot of pitfalls, so we can’t extrapolate.

About Soviet BB branch – what are the main problems for its assembly?

Main problem is archive material availability. Blueprints, documents. Work is proceeding, branch is turning out very interesting. (materials after 1941 are still classified – tr)

If you can tell us – what will be the branch main flavor?

If you look from a realistic point of view – russian/soviet *artillery** (not targeting, not fire control, but guns themselves) is one of the best in the period. But it’s specialized for the Baltic Sea and North Atlantic. A lot of stuff common with german and french ones. (you can expect good ballistics, but nothing will beat adamantium guns on Izumo – tr)*

Don’t you think that Koenig and Bayern should sink under the weight of their modernizations in top hulls?

No, we don’t. To claim that you have to show us your load and displacement calculations for the ship. We did ours and are confident in them.

Gneisenau with ELEVEN DP 2×128 guns should be … on the bottom – due to those weapons weight.

We made the ship according to German modernization plans. Length of ship is increased by 11.3 m in forward main battery area. Displacement increase by 1500 tons. Considering known loads for Scharnhorst we acheived lowering of overload by 300 tons. That’s why Gneisenau turned out to be less overloaded if you consider hull lenghtening than the real Scharnhorst, whose hull we checked by calculations.

Why did you “draw” catapult for german T9-10 BB between aft turrets, while on known sketches it’s behind the aft turret?

It’s because of game mechanics requirements. In the project the plane was put on the catapult using the main battery turret, and her barrels acted as crane. In addition, to launch the plane, turret would be removed from player control. That’s why catapults, there are two of them, were put in between turrets where during launch they don’t obstruct the player. Overall, this desicion turned out better than the german one.

Danae’s bow should be with a lift, this is a characteristic of third supgroup of this class.

Danae is a collective image of the class. It has been said many times on the official forum.

Chapaev’s bow should be slanted. And Chapaev shouldn’t have torpedoes.

We made Chapaev according to factory blueprints. And bow in particular. Torpedoes are inherited from the first hull.

Quintiple torpedo launchers simply wouldn’t fit in Zao’s aft. See for yourself. Also aft should break away.

According to project she has quadruple launchers. To make quintiple fit in we had to reduce spare torps quantity (he’s talking about the real project, not in-game one). Load from 4 quintiple launchers is miniscule – ship’s structure and steering compartment armor weight much more.

Dmitriy Donskoi’s superstructure is as tall as Empire State Building – istn’t that height (number of floors) too much?

65’s project IRL didn’t come out of tactical and techincal elements coordination stage. So when we were making a collective image of more than 40 variants, a lot of them aren’t represented in domestic literature, it was decided to make her a preliminary design of project 66 cruiser, in game called Moskva. Her superstructure has less floors (lower) than Moskva’s, while ships are close in linear dimensions, although, Dmitriy’s Doskoi’s superstructure is unarmored except conning tower.

Based on what have you come up with Minotaur? Is she a Super Tiger (based on real Tiger)?

There are sources in Friedman’s book on british cruisers. Project Minotaur was considered by brits as an alternative to american CL-144 Worcester class cruisers. But as a result of designing for british weapons systems, project turned out to be too expensive and wasn’t carried on, also characterisics weren’t better than american counterparts. Mark XXV turret was intended exactly for this project. But after Minotaur was cancelled Tiger was born as a cheaper alternative.

What about Neptune’s DP turrets? And their number of torpedo launchers?

Project is also from Friedman’s book. Was supposed to be a further development of Town-class. Also wasn’t carried on.

Why have you drawn Nikolai I the way she is in the game now? With forecastle and 300mm belt. In life she was “simpler”.

Nikolai’s belt is 270 mm, as in factory blueprints. Forecastle was considered as one of the measures to prevent excessive flooding of bow. It wasn’t implemented IRL due to metal deficit and increase in construction time. To make this ship different in architecture from other (Sevastopols – tr) we went for this assumption.

What’s your opinion on japanese shipbuilder Yuzuru Hiraga’s works?

One of the greatest engineers of his time, he left a very rich archive after him. A couple of projects were advanced for his time.

How did you design IJN T10 CA Zao?

We had to design the gun from scratch, because there weren’t 203/55 guns in Japan. Make internal ballistics calculations and check pressure. As a prototype we took Tone, to be exact – her theoretical blueprint and ship armouring approach.

Should we call ships which have a full set of construction blueprints, but haven’t been launched “paper ships”?

More correctly they should be called “not realized”, because those are very developed and thoroughly designed projects. From materials point of view they are sometimes better than a real ship (to implement in game – tr), but those ones are exceptions. (“paper ships” with full set of documentation – tr)

Do you dabble in ship model building? For how long? Which ships have been commisioned in “home shipyard”?

I have been doing this for a long time, from school. I’ve made North Carolina, Hood and Yamato. In the process are Richelieu and KGV. Have won Russian Championship in ship models with Yamato model.

How do you explain pagoda superstructures on japanese ships from a shipbuilding point of view?

Development of target designation and fire control systems.

Why did americans use lattice masts for their first dreadnoughts and superdreadnoughts? Why were they later abandoned?

Because fire control mechanisms and AAA(Brownings, to be exact – tr) were placed high above. Combined they have a considerable mass (and lattice masts allow to save weight). Also they wanted to make masts less succeptible to enemy fire. Also it was considered that they’ll reduce vibrations from the hull. After all, they showed to be a complicated construct and the choice was made to make tall superstructures which allowed to place more platforms (for AAA, for example) and were sturdier and protected personnel better.

Whose archives are the hardest to work with? American, german, british, russian? Are there any peculiarities with working with archives in different countries?

As time has shown – all archives have their peculiarities. Comrades from historical-archive departments are working with them.

What archive materials are you most interested in? Blueprints? Photos?

Blueprints, schemes, photos, various text documents – everything has a lot of necessary and important stuff for work (to work with).

How are project and construction blueprints different?

Level of detail is different. Construction blueprints show materials ships will be made of. Technical project blueprints show general idea of them. Preliminary design shows ship in general.

How reference conficts are handled? For example, photo and blueprint don’t match.

Paper ships usually don’t have such issues, because there are no photos of them. Usually there are photos for dismantled and incompleted ships.

Have you contacted with other historians during work? With war veterans? With military specialists?

I have contaced some historians by correspondents. But personally I do it on very rare occasions.

A great amount of work has been done gathering references, especially in case of not realized projects. Don’t you want to write a book or a series of articles?

If such book will be in demand – why not?

Which ship service history is the most memorable for you?

Battleship Marat

Are you gathering materials for carrier-based aviation as meticulously as you do for ships?

Other people are working on carrier aviation.

Conversing with developers you learn a lot of unique stuff, which you can’t neither in popular science nor in scientific publications dedicated to nautical themes. What do you think – why before you not a lot of people were so thourough in seeking techincal information about different projects?

Naval thematic isn’t as popular in our country as it should be. In fact, our Navy history isn’t properly described.

Do you play games yourself? Which ones?

Rarely, don’t have a lot of time for games. But the stuff we make for WoWs we always watch in action.

Where do archive materials finding work begins?

By determing in which archive you have to search for materials.

Are there any cases where you have to find documentation for a ship, and it doesn’t exist at all? What do you do then?

“There are. But we have ship theory, strength of materials, External and Internal ballistics Textbook and a lot of real-world prototype ships. It’s never boring.”

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19 thoughts on “WoWS: Interview with Lesta’s Ship Design representative

  1. So basically there is one guy, closed in some darkest dungeon, who do not contact with other historian nor check with books, but rather he scavenger archives himself and pulls some designs straight from his ass… And he is called ‘Balance Department’…. That explains a lot.

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    1. It’s obvious that you didn’t even bother reading the article. “Books are often incorrect because of author’s mistakes.” And how is he a part of balance department, if his job is to make ship designs as close to reality as possible?

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      1. He is not “part of balance department” – he is THE whole department. Or so it looks – like all decisions are made by one man without any error checking or critical thinking.

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  2. I’d really like to see the drawings of those german triple turrets. Also, I’m surprised how nobody asked him about the Roon and the Hindenburg

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  3. Can you please beat the shit out of this guy? Fuck Wargaming and fuck everyone who is involved in picking which ships to implement in the game. Fuck. You. FUCK. You. Deep, in the ass, with a rusty 10 meter high spike with nails covered in excrement

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  4. Wish they could release low tier Russian BBs first, while this guy continues to search for Stalingrad in Lenin’s embalmed ass. By the time the upper tier BBs are ready for implementation, enough stats will have been collected to rebalance the lower tiers if necessary.

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          1. Huh, so true :D Paper ships should be avoided in every branch, as they break immerse and cause meh-effect. Maybe top tier can be paper – but it is kind of cheating – from all t10 BBs only Yamato was build – ans it should be the unquestionable king of the seas… but it was stolen from him by some paper designs :(

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          2. Touche :)
            I must admit i have no warm feeling towards any of ships You mentioned – but it does not change the fact that Soviet Navy branch will be even more paper.

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  5. >We had to design the gun from scratch, because there weren’t 203/55 guns in Japan.
    IJN have 203/55 guns (20cm 3rd year type mark III) … :(

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