Supertest: German/Chinese Medium Tanks & Object 140 Complete Changes

Object 140:

Gun depression angles increased from -6 to -7 °;
Hull frontal armor increased from 100 to 110 mm;
Frontal plate thickness increased from 237 to 260 mm.

121:

The frontal armor of the upper plate was thickened from 240 to 270 mm;
Standard shell penetration increased from 258 to 262 mm;
Tank durability increased from 1950 to 2050 HP;
Engine power increased from 580 to 650 hp;
Projectile speed changed from 1000/1000/1000 to 1115/907/907 m/s.

113:

122 mm 60-122T gun
Projectile speed changed from 950/950/950 to 800/640/800 m/s.

WZ-120:

The cost of repairs was increased from 16,401 to 17,395 credits;
The scattering of the gun at the maximum vehicle speed for the WZ-120 suspension was increased from 10.08 to 10.80;
The scattering of the gun at the maximum vehicle speed for the WZ-120 model 3 suspension was increased from 8.96 to 9.60;
The pool of hit points with the WZ-120 turret has been changed from 1,550 to 1,650 HP;
The pool of hit points with the WZ-120-1 turret has been changed from 1,650 to 1,750 HP;
122 mm 60-122T gun:
Reload time reduced from 11.51 to 10.55 s;
Rate of fire increased from 5.21 to 5.69 rounds/minute;
The scattering of the gun during the turret rotation was reduced from 0.16 to 0.14;
The scattering of the gun was reduced during the turret rotation with the maximum speed from 7.01 to 6.13;
Average damage per minute changed from 2,295 to 2,503;
Average damage per minute with HE shells changed from 2,764 to 3,015;
Projectile speed changed from 950/950/950 to 800/640/800 m/s;
Maximum speed increased from 56 km/h to 60 km/h.

T-34-2:

The frontal armor of the upper plate was thickened from 140 to 200 mm
Vehicle durability increased from 1,300 to 1,400 HP
122 mm 37-122JT gun
Alpha damage changed from 390 to 360 HP
Reload time reduced from 15 to 12 seconds
Dispersion changed from 0.48 to 0.44
Aiming time reduced from 3.1 to 2.9 s
100 mm gun 44-100JT
Dispersion changed from 0.42 to 0.4
Reload time reduced from 9.1 to 8.1 s
Changed the aiming time from 2.9 to 2.7 s

T-34-1:

The cost of repairs increased from 7,655 to 8,384 credits;
The pool of hit points with the T-34-1 turret has been changed from 960 to 1,050 HP;
The pool of hit points with the T-34-1 model 2 turret has been changed from 1,050 to 1,150 HP;
100 mm gun 44-100JT
Reload time reduced from 8.92 to 7.96 s;
Rate of fire changed from 6.73 to 7.54 rounds/minute;
Aiming time reduced from 2.78 to 2.59 s;
The dispersion was reduced from 0.40 to 0.38 m;
The scattering of the gun during the turret rotation was reduced from 0.16 to 0.14;
The scattering of the gun was reduced during the turret rotation with the maximum speed from 7.34 to 6.42;
Average damage per minute changed from 1.682 to 1.885;
Average damage per minute for HE shells changed from 2,221 to 2,488.

E 50 M:

Detailed changes will be described later. At the moment, the front turret armor has been thickened from 197 to 266 mm.

E 50:

Front turret armor increased from 197 to 220 mm.
10.5 cm Kw.K. L / 52 Ausf B.
Standard shell penetration increased from 220 to 230 mm.
8.8 cm Kw.K. L / 100
Damage increased from 240 to 280 HP.

Panther II:

8.8 cm Kw.K. L / 100
Damage increased from 240 to 280 HP.

Panther 8.8:

Damage increased from 240 to 280 HP.

36 thoughts on “Supertest: German/Chinese Medium Tanks & Object 140 Complete Changes

  1. “Object 140:

    Gun depression angles increased from -6 to -7 °;
    Hull frontal armor increased from 100 to 110 mm;
    Frontal plate thickness increased from 237 to 260 mm.”

    You pricks don’t know what you are doing. Why can’t we go back to the old balancing department before Murazor took a dump over the game? Since then the balancing is down the shitter and getting worse every patch no matter who is working on it.

    1. Not really, most of the german tanks were really overnerfed before the patch 9.17.1, thats the best Murazor did. And as far as i remember… We have balanced wafleras, balanced fochs…. and other overpower clips in the past. Also if i dont recall it wrong… the heat in the past has a pen of 380 and 400 for E5 and IS-4, that does not seems balance. And the E5 was completely overpowered the first time it go to the live server

      WG was just bad balancing even before Failazor

  2. you know that the 140 is currently one of the worst performing tanks on the RU server if you check out Winrate and Average damage.

    1. Yes the “one of the worst performing tanks on the RU server” used to be the CW meta MT and hasn’t been nerfed yet and is still being used in RB so i dunno how some people/”humans” are doing so bad in it.

      So the solution is to buff it to be better than 430U.

  3. Why is Object 140 getting a gun depression buff as well? At this point it might really become a valid alternative to Object 907 (that in itself is not a bad thing, these reward pos have ruined the game long enough).

    Anyway, I suppose there have been translation issues, but the listed armor here is the EFFECTIVE armor, not the nominal value (imagine if 121 had 260 raw thickness on the upper plate lol…).

      1. I think they are reffering to the turret, because the turret has a armor thickness of 240mm.

        1. No… not at all. They are buffing the chasis who has 120mm at 60 ° so 240 effective, in other post the chasis was the part colored. Also if u see at E-50M goes from 197 in turret to 266. E-50M has 185mm of nominal turret armor, and 196-197 of effective.

    1. Yea! we all know it was SUPER OP….. i does not see anyone use it in the late time. WG just nerfed it because nerfed the gun in WZ but in the medium at least it have some buffs, in other aspects like DPM, HP, speed limit. GG WG. Working as intended…

    1. I think it means 140mm LOS thickness, which at 60 degrees is exactly double the 70mm. It basically means the UFP is going from 70mm to 100mm.

  4. Its hilarious that the T-34-1 is getting a buff, given that it is basically already the best tier 7 med in the game, maybe only rivaled by the T20 or a Comet if you’re firing nothing but gold.
    The Panther 88 change is welcome, but IDK what you can possibly do to make that tank viable at tier 8 without just randomly inflating the armor like WOT Blitz did, or just randomly increasing the pen. 203 pen, 237 gold pen, on a Panther chassis just doesn’t cut it at tier 8. That or just drop it down to tier 7 and nerf the ROF and HP.
    The E-50M needs just a few more touches to make it really good. Maybe more turret side armor and a ROF buff. The turret armor buff is badly needed but the tank needs more. Or maybe buff the UFP by 50mm and make it immune to gold spam.
    The 121 will still be worse than the 430u overall… but at least now it will be a semi-viable, interesting alternative. It won’t be a total joke in comparison, maybe just “kind of” a joke instead…. which is still a major improvement.
    The Object 140 buff looks really stupid…. until you realize it makes the Object 907 kind of stupid and pointless, which is actually probably a good thing. Hell maybe one day the T95/Chieftain and Object 279 will be stupid and pointless too.

    1. -T-34-1 is a good tank i like it but most of the players dont.. Its not the most easy tank to use. Good size good cammo, good alpha bad accuracy bad aiming, bad gun arcs. Not the normal medium u see around. The VK3002D right now is the best medium for tournaments with the buffs, yea u have to spam full premium but who does not use it in tournaments

      -Agree with the panther 8.8 i prefer a drop down to tier 7. WG just keep failing in putting more and more tier 8 premums

      -E50M i like the idea for the UFP and also armor for side turrets it does not need more DPM if they give this other buffs

      -121 looks actually interesting now

      Yea the 140 buff is just to make it competitive against the 907

    2. The T34-1 has been balanced for a 2015 meta… for example the P43ter should be considered as tier 7 medium that is actually balanced vs the current day meta. It works well in the template MM and works well versus tier 8 that has gotten much more powerful since 2015, while remaining vurnerable against same tier and lower.

      When taking that into account the T34-1 ÍS lacking, as do a couple of other tanks that were designed for a 2015 meta. That doesn’t mean their not workable, but also not up to date either.
      So I’d say don’t buff the dpm but give it 2.5sec aim time.

      1. Personally i hate long aiming times in mediums. They remove your chances to peek a boo shoots. I use the 85mm with a lot of APCR rounds, i check the MM to see when it send you more to tier 7 and 8 and not tier 9.

    3. Hell maybe one day the T95/Chieftain and Object 279 will be stupid and pointless too.

      For that to happen WG will have to add Tier 18/20 MBTs e.g. Char Leclerc, T-14 Armata, M1A2 Abrams and so on, otherwise the unicums will cry their effort in clanwhores and whatnot is not rewarded enough…

    1. WZ got most buffs than nerfs, just less shell velocity yes, but the 113…. thats hilarious wg is just botbrained and make it because it use the same gun as the WZ but at least the medium got some buffs.

  5. We all know that 113 was overpower and needed to be nerfed….. even with the logic it use the same gun as WZ, make something diferent, even change it (like they did with E100) or give it some more DPM….No one use it compared to the WZ 111 5

  6. ‘Detailed changes will be described later for E50M. Sounds like WG are considering a dpm increase along with the armor buffs.

    1. Lets hope WG dont nerf some of the stats of the E50M knowing their history on the balance department.

    2. For as long as I can remember, the E 50 has had a sizable DPM superiority to its Tier-X E 50 M. When using the L/100, my E 50 has nearly 3,500 DPM, and with the proposed changes it would surpass 4,000. That’s ridiculous for a medium at tier IX, which starts standing up to the monstrous Strv 103B and Badger in that department. I love DPM-oriented weapons in this game, but this feels excessive when so many other tanks have abysmal DPM at tier VIII-IX.

      I’ve actually wanted the E 50 M for a few years but I put it on hold while grinding other tank lines. I love it in theory, and it has some advantages over E 50, but I decided to keep the tier IX for its efficiency-at-tier if that makes sense. Now I’ll justify buying E 50 M at the next sale, but, balancing needs to be given greater importance and care in general.

      1. actually if u use 105 they have the same DPM, thats the point. The tier 9 has more DPM compared to his counterpars but also not the best pen 220 (who is going to be buffed to 230). E50M has really good penetration. Yea it could have some buff to dpm. but turret its most important

        Yea and the 8.8 becomes a option in the 9.17.1 afters is was meh.

  7. Everybody ignoring the small buff that should be done for Type 59. A little more pen, a little more alpha, a tiny buff to effective hull frontal armor.

  8. That 113 nerf is deceptively large, and 121 armor buff is much weaker than they show. They use wrong angle for current armor of 240. E50M seems to be getting something extra too based on the translation.

  9. The only problem that both the WZ120 and the 121 have is a complete and utter lack of gun depression, which severly hampers thier playability.
    Add 2-3 degrees to each, and they will become very popular tanks as thier gun is outstanding.

    1. As a proud owner of the WZ-120, i’m fine with the lack of gun depression : it is the mark of the line. Seeing it receive lots of buffs is long overdue. It is supposed to be more mobile than his USSR counterpart, i’m glad it still will be.

  10. -WG nerfing overperforming non russian tanks
    -“racist! russian bias! OP russian tanks never got nerfed and WG wants them even better”

    -WG buffing underperforming russian tanks
    -“OMFG those racist want russian bias to be even more!”

    Enough irony, who’s racist and biased? Why all balance changes come with a bunch of discussion about the nationality but not the stats/performance of those tanks? Biased people judge everything with their biased points of view.

    1. How exactly has the 140 been underperforming? Honestly, it is a well-balanced tank in the present form. The only reason they can possibly have to buff it is to bring it up to the level of the 907, which is arguably an overpowered tank whose winrate is consistently among the top 5 of all Tier X tanks.

  11. Object 140 gets 7 degrees of gun depression while the WZ 120 still keeps it’s 3? And on top of that they murder the 120’s shell velocity.. What the fuck? Ballance my ass!

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