Sandbox: HE Shells Rebalance Table

As of the third iteration, updated yesterday. Sources: wotclue, rykoszet.

Tank:
1.6.1:
Sandbox:
Sandbox, second iteration:
Sandbox, third iteration:
Gun:
Object 260 530 190 330 265 122 мм БЛ-13-1
Object 279 early 530 190 330 265 122 мм М62-Т2А
StuG IV 175 65 110 90 7,5 cm Stu.K. 40 L/48
Т 55А 420 150 265 210 100 mm Panzerkanone D-10T2S L/56
T28 Concept 420 150 265 210 105 mm Gun T5
Excalibur 190 70 120 95 76 mm ‚Excalibur’ Gun
Chimera 530 190 330 265 QF 5-in. Gun

Tank:
1.6.1:
Sandbox:
Sandbox, second iteration:
Sandbox, third iteration:
Gun:
МS-1 62 20 40 30 45 мм обр. 1932 г.
Pz.Kpfw. I 1″}”>2>1
T1 Cunningham 36 15 25 20 37 mm Semiaotumatic Gun M1924
Renault FT No HE 13.2 mm Hotchkiss mle 1930
Cruiser Mk. I 1″}”>2>1
Kolohousenka 65 25 40 35 47 mm Rychlopalné dělo Vickers L/20
Renault NC-31 42 15 25 20 37 mm KwK 36 L/46.5
Renault Otsu 55 20 35 25 37 mm Sogekihou
4TP 70 25 45 35 47 mm QFSA
Strv fm/21 16 5 10 10 20 mm akan m/Madsen
Fiat 3000 45 15 30 25 Cannone da 37/40
Т-60 50 20 30 25 37 мм ЗиС-19
BТ-2 62 20 40 30 45 мм 20К
Pz.Kpfw. II No HE 2 cm Flak 38
M2 Light Tank 50 20 30 25 37 mm Gun M5
FCM 36 45 15 30 25 37 mm SA38
Cruiser Mk. II 2″}”>3>2
Type 95 Ha-Go 95 35 60 45 5.7 cm Gun Type 97
Strv m/38 50 20 30 25 37 mm kan m/38 strv
Т-70 65 25 40 30 45 мм ВТ-42
Т-46 65 25 40 30 45 мм ВТ-42
Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. E 90 30 55 45 5 cm Kw.K. 38 L/42
Pz.Kpfw. II Ausf. G 40 15 25 20 3 cm M.K. 103
M3 Stuart 50 20 30 25 37 mm Gun M6
AMX 38 70 25 45 35 47 mm SA35
Somua S35 70 25 45 35 47 mm SA37
Valentine 3″}”>4>3
Type 97 Chi-Ha 90 30 55 45 47 mm Gun Type 1
Strv m/40L 50 20 30 25 37 mm kan m/38-49 strv
BТ-7 4″}”>3>4
SU-76М 4″}”>3>4
Т-28 95 35 60 45 57 мм ЗиС-4
Pz.Kpfw. II Luchs 40 15 25 20 3 cm M.K. 103
Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. J 90 30 55 45 5 cm Kw.K. 39 L/60
StuG III Ausf. B 175 65 110 90 7,5 cm Pak 39 L/48
M5 Stuart 50 20 30 25 37 mm Gun T16
M8A1 175 65 110 90 3-inch AT Gun M7
M7 4″}”>5>4
AMX 40 175 65 110 90 75 mm SA32
Somua SAu 40 350 165 255 205 105 mm AC court mle. 1934 S
B1 70 25 45 35 47 mm SA37
Valentine AT 4″}”>3>4
Matilda 110 70 110 90 OQF 3-inch Howitzer Mk. I
Type 1 Chi-He 100 35 60 50 Experimental 57 mm Tank Gun Shin
Sav m/43 370 130 230 185 10,5 cm kan m/44 sav
Lago 175 65 110 90 7,5 cm kan m/41 strv
А-20 5″}”>4>5
КV-1 280 100 175 140 85 мм Ф-30
SU-122А 600 665 665 665 152 мм гаубица Д-1
Т-34 95 35 60 45 57 мм ЗиС-4
SU-85 300 105 190 150 85 мм Д-5С-85БМ
VK 16.02 Leopard 90 30 55 45 5 cm Kw.K. 39 L/60L
Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. H 410 145 255 205 10,5 cm Kw.K. L/28 (Фугаска)
StuG Ausf. G 175 65 110 90 7,5 cm Pak 42 L/70
VK 30.01 (H) 175 65 110 90 7,5 cm Kw.K. 42 L/70
M24 Chaffee 175 70 110 90 75 mm Gun M17
T1 Heavy Tank 185 65 115 95 76 mm Gun M1A1
M41 HMC 550 610 610 610 155 mm Howitzer M1
M4A1 Sherman 185 65 115 95 76 mm Gun M1A1
M10 Wolverine 185 65 115 95 76 mm AT Gun M1A2
AMX ELC bis 320 115 200 160 90 mm D. 915
S35 CA 320 115 200 160 90 mm AC canon DCA 30
BDR G1 B 320 115 200 160 90 mm DCA 30
AMX 13 105 AM mle. 50 445 495 495 495 105 mm obusier mle. 1950
Sherman III 185 65 115 95 76 mm Gun M1A1
AT 2 100 35 60 50 QF 6-pdr AT Gun Mk. V
Churchill I 175 65 110 90 75 mm Vickers HV
Type 3 Chi-Nu 175 65 110 90 7.5 cm Tank Gun Type 5
Ikv 103 370 130 230 185 10,5 cm kam ikv 102 (Не топ)
Strv m/42 185 65 115 90 7,5 cm kan m/43 strv
МТ-25 165 60 105 85 76 мм С-54М
Т-150 360 130 225 180 107 мм ЗиС-6
SU-8 600 665 665 665 152 мм гаубица МЛ-20 обр. 1931 г.
Т-34-85 300 105 190 150 85 мм Д-5Т-85БМ
SU-100 530 190 330 265 122 мм Д-2-5С
КV-2 910 330 580 460 152 мм МЛ-10 (Фугаска)
КV-1S 5″}”>6>5
VK 28.01 175 65 110 90 7,5 cm Kw.K. 40 L/48L
VK 30.02 (M) 175 65 110 90 7,5 cm Kw.K. 42 L/70
Jagdpanzer IV 270 95 170 135 8,8 cm Pak L/56
VK 30.01 (P) 270 95 170 135 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56
VK 36.01 (H) 270 95 170 135 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56
T37 185 65 115 95 76 mm Gun T91
M6 320 115 200 160 90 mm Gun M3
M44 550 610 610 610 155 mm Howitzer M45
M4A3E8 Sherman 185 65 115 95 76 mm Gun M1A2
M36 Jackson 320 115 200 160 90 mm AT Gun M3
AMX 12 t 175 65 110 90 75 mm SA50
ARL 44 320 115 200 160 90 mm DCA 45
AMX 13 F3 AM 700 775 775 775 Canon de 155 mm de 33 calibres
Panhard AMD 178B 175 65 110 90 75 mm SA49 (EBR)
ARL V39 320 115 200 160 90 mm AC DCA 45
Cromwell 175 65 110 90 75 mm Vickers HV
AT 8 190 70 120 95 OQF 17-pdr AT Gun Mk. VII
Achilles 190 70 120 95 OQF 17-pdr AT Gun Mk. VII
Churchill VII 190 70 120 95 OQF 77 mm Gun Mk. II
O-I 890 320 555 445 15 cm Howitzer Type 96 (Фугаска)
Type 4 Chi-To 175 65 110 90 7.5 cm Tank Gun Type 5 Model I
Ikv 65 Alt II 320 115 200 160 9 cm Bofors L/53
Strv 74 185 65 115 90 7,5 cm kan strv 74
S-51 1050/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050 203 мм Б-4
SU-152 530 190 330 265 122 мм Д-25С обр. 1944 г.
IS 530 190 330 265 122 мм Д-25Т
КV-3 530 190 330 265 122 мм Д-25Т
Т-43 300 105 190 150 85 мм Д-5Т-85БМ
LTG 300 105 190 150 85 мм Д-5Т-85БМУ
Jagdpanther 420 150 265 210 10,5 cm Pak L/52
Tiger (P) 295 105 185 150 8,8 cm Kw.K. 43 L/71
Tiger I 295 105 185 150 8,8 cm Kw.K. 43 L/71
Panther 175 65 110 90 7,5 cm Kw.K. L/100
Spähpanzer SP I C 270 95 170 135 90 mm Mecar
M12 700/700 775/700 775/700 775/700 155 mm Gun M1A1
T25 AT 320 150 265 210 105 mm AT Gun T5E1
T29 420 150 265 210 105 mm Gun T5E1
T20 320 115 200 160 90 mm Gun M3
T71 CMCD 185 65 115 95 76 mm Gun T185E
Lorraine 155 mle. 50 700/700 775/700 775/700 775/700 Obusier de 155 mm mle. 1950
AMX AC mle. 46 400 145 250 200 100 mm AC SA47
AMX M4 mle. 45 320 115 200 160 90 mm DCA 45
AMX 13 75 175 65 110 90 75 mm SA50
Hotchkiss EBR 260 95 165 130 Canon de 75 mm Vo 1000 m/s (EBR)
Challenger 370 130 230 185 OQF 32-pdr AT Gun Mk. II
AT 7 280 100 175 140 OQF 20-pdr AT Gun Type A Barrel
Black Prince 190 70 120 95 OQF 17-pdr Gun MK. VII
Comet 190 70 120 95 OQF 77 mm Gun MK. II
O-Ni 890 320 555 445 15 cm Howitzer Type 96 (Фугаска)
Type 5 Chi-Ri 175 65 110 90 7.5 cm Autoloading Tank Gun Type 5
Ikv 90 Typ B 320 115 200 160 9 cm kan m/f
Leo 410 145 255 205 10 cm kan m/34
SU-14-2 1050/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050 203 мм Б-4
ISU-152 950 330 580 460 152 мм Д-4С
IS-3 530 190 330 265 122 мм БЛ-9
IS-М 530 190 330 265 122 мм Д-25БМ
КV-4 420 150 265 210 107 мм ЗиС-24
Т-44 330 120 205 165 100 мм ЛБ-1
LTTB 300 105 190 150 85 мм Д-10-85
Ferdinand 630 225 395 315 12,8 cm Pak 44 L/55
VK 100.01 (P) 630 225 395 315 12,8 cm Kw.K. L/50
Tiger II 420 150 265 210 10,5 cm Kw.K. L/68
Panther II 295 105 185 150 8,8 cm Kw.K. L/100
HWK 12 320 115 200 160 90 mm Mecar N
M40/M43 1050/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050 8-inch Howitzer M1
T28 515 185 320 260 120 mm AT Gun T53
T32 420 150 265 210 105 mm Gun T5E1
M26 Pershing 320 115 200 160 90 mm Gun T15E2M2
M41 Walker Bulldog 260 95 165 130 76 mm Gun M32 late
Lorraine 155 mle. 51 750/750 835/750 835/750 835/750 Canon de 155 mm mle. 1917 G.P.F.
AMX AC mle. 48 515 185 320 260 120 mm AC SA46
AMX 65 t 515 185 320 260 120 mm D. 1203
Bat.-Châtillon 12 t 260 95 165 130 Canon de 75 mm Vo 1000 m/s
Panhard AML Lynx 6×6 320 115 200 160 90 mm CN 90 F3
Charioteer 480/480 170 300 240 105 mm AT Gun L7
AT 15 280 100 175 140 OQF 20-pdr AT Gun Type B Barrel
Caernarvon 370 130 230 185 OQF 32-pdr Gun MK. II
Centurion Mk. I 280 100 175 140 OQF 20-pdr Gun Type A Barrel
O-Ho 890 320 555 445 15 cm Howitzer Type 96 (Фугаска)
STA-1 320 115 200 160 90 mm Gun Type 61
UDES 03 480 170 300 240 10,5 cm kan UDES 03
Emil I 460 165 290 230 10,5 cm TK 105-9
UDES 14 Alt 5 460 165 290 230 10,5 cm strvkan L/45
212А 1050/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050 203 мм Б-4
Object 704 950 330 580 460 152 мм БЛ-10
Object 257 530 190 330 265 122 мм БЛ-13-1 А
Object 705 640 230 400 320 130 мм С-70
ST-I 530 190 330 265 122 мм М62-Т2
Т-54 420 150 265 210 100 мм Д-54
Т-54 330 120 205 165 100 мм Д-10ТМ обр. 1945 г.
Jagdtiger 700 250 440 350 12,8 cm Pak L/66
Mäuschen 630 225 395 315 12,8 cm Kw.K. 44 L/55
E 75 630 225 395 315 12,8 cm Kw.K. 44 L/55
E 50 510 180 320 255 10,5 cm Kw.K. L/52 Ausf. B
Spähpanzer Ru 251 320 115 200 160 90 mm Rheinmetall DM1
M53/M55 1050/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050 8-inch Howitzer M47
T95 950 345 600 480 155 mm AT Gun T7
M103 515 185 320 260 120 mm Gun M58
M46 Patton 480 170 300 240 105 mm Gun T5E1M2
T49 910/910 330/365 580/635 460 152 mm Gun-Launcher XM81 (conventional) (Фугаска)
Bat.-Châtillon 155 55 750/750 835/750 835/750 835/750 Canon de 155 mm
AMX 50 Foch 515 185 320 260 120 mm AC SA46
AMX M4 mle. 51 610 220 380 305 127 mm/54 Model 1948
Bat.-Châtillon 25 t AP 400 145 250 200 100 mm SA47
AMX 13 90 320 115 200 160 90 mm F3M
Panhard EBR 90 320 115 200 160 90 mm D. 921
Conway 770/770 275 480 385 B.L. 5.5-in. AT Gun
Tortoise 515 185 320 260 120 mm AT Gun L1A1
Conqueror 515 185 320 260 120 mm Gun L1A1
Centurion Mk. 7/1 480 170 300 240 105 mm Royal Ordnance L7A1
Type 4 Heavy 900/900 330/365 580/640 465 15 cm/45 41st Year Type (Фугаска)
Type 61 440 170 300 240 105 mm Rifled Gun
Strv 103-0 480 170 300 240 10,5 cm kan strv 103 L/62
Emil II 530 190 330 265 12 cm akan L/40
UDES 16 480 170 300 240 10,5 cm strvkan L/51
Object 261 900/900 1000/900 1000/900 1000/900 180 мм Б-1-П
Object 268 1100 330 580 460 152 мм М-64
IS-7 640 230 400 320 130 мм С-70
Object 705А 840 330 580 460 152 мм М-51
IS-4 530 190 330 265 122 мм М62-Т2
Object 140 420 150 265 210 100 мм У-8ТС
Т-100 LT 360 130 225 180 100 мм Т-100
Jagdpanzer E 100 1400 415 725 580 17 cm Pak
Maus 630 225 395 315 12,8 cm Kw.K. 44 L/55
E 100 950 320 565 450 15 cm Kw.K. L/38
E 50 Ausf. M 510 180 320 255 10,5 Kw.K. L/52 Ausf. K
Rheinmetall Paznerwagen 420 150 265 210 105 mm Kanone
T92 HMC 1300/1300 1440/1300 1440/1300 1440/1300 240 mm Howitzer M1
T110E3 1100 345 600 480 155 mm AT Gun T7E2
T110E5 515 185 320 260 120 mm Gun M58
M48A5 Patton 480 170 300 240 105 mm Gun M68
XM551 Sheridan 910/910 330/365 580/635 460 152 mm Gun-Launcher XM81 (conventional) (Фугаска)
Bat.-Châtillon 155 58 750/750 835/750 835/750 835/750 Canon de 155 mm
AMX 50 Foch B 515 185 320 260 120 mm AC SA46
AMX M4 mle 54 640 230 400 320 130 mm/45 Model 1935
Bat.-Châtillon 25 t 480 170 300 240 105 mm mle. 57 (D. 1504)
AMX 13 105 480 170 300 240 105 mm D. 1504
Panhard EBR 105 500 180 315 250 105 mm D. 1504 (EBR)
FV4005 Stage II 1750/1750 480 835 670 183 mm L4
FV217 Badger 620 220 390 310 OQF 123 mm Mk. 1
Super Conqueror 515 185 320 260 120 mm Gun L1A1
Centurion Action X 480 170 300 240 105 mm Gun L7A2
Type 5 Heavy 900/900 330/365 580/640 465 15 cm/45 41st Year Type (Фугаска)
STB-1 440 170 300 240 105 mm Rifled Gun
Strv 103B 480 170 300 240 10,5 cm kan strv 103 L/62
Kranvagn 530 190 330 265 12 cm akan L/40
UDES 15/16 530 190 330 265 12 cm strvkan L/40

0 thoughts on “Sandbox: HE Shells Rebalance Table

  1. KV-2 needed this change. meh. but, why does the 4005 get hit the worse by the change though? unlike the KV-2, the 4005 is balanced at the tier. I need to see the HESH changes soon. (KV-2 1shots its self and other same tier HEAVIES, as 4005 oneshots same tier TDS and LIGHTS, also 14mm turret armor the size of a barn..

  2. next idiotic idea. After destroying VK28.01 and other bad nerfes they destroy now every tank that does fun with HE: PziV, M4, KV2, Sheridan, FV4005,…. how to stop players from playing WoT!?

    1. The tank isn\’t bad after the change. Hitting people in the tracks now does almost double the damage as it did previously in some cases.

  3. Its only a Sandbox test for testing \’ideas\’ remember

    WG are not suicidal stupid as to bring these changes into the game \”as is now in sandbox\” it would
    create big problems with WG to retain then keeping anyone who has played WOT more than 1 year

    WOT player numbers on the EU servers are not even close to as high active players numbers as they were 2 years ago (never mind 3 years ago lol!

    NA and Asia servers barely exist now ~ WG need happy players in the EU and RU servers

    WG are NOT completely stupid with there only profit making cash cow game, they like LOTS of our cash remember

    1. oh yes…in fact they really ARE that stupid 😉
      remeber Defecter idea and other P2W stupidities wich just made their playerbase to cut in half or even worse??
      What that means for profits?

      so yeh…\”they are not suicidal stupids\”…;)
      YES THEY ARE !

  4. They change the scaling from 0.5 to 1 and show half the number i.e same dmg as before but with slightly improved/higher calculation for weakest point and module dmg and 0 chance of pen. Should be good with more consistent dmg although some tanks lose their wow effect (KV2, FV4005 etc).

  5. So, if you don\’t have the extra damage, what is the point of the premium ammo on the Centurion 7/1?

    1. That was removed as of the latest test. They already stress this to you lot many times already, but you keep asking. HESH TESTING COMES LATER. WE KNOW NOTHING.

  6. OMFG they are still going on about this bs. Non one wants these changes. Leave HESH and HE as is ffs. This is proof wargaming don\’t give a shite what we say .

    1. This change is long overdue. Low tiers are a new player deterrent, thanks to clubbers spamming gold, HE guns pressing other peoples exit battle buttons and the average gun killing you in 2-3 hits.
      The KV-2 does not fit into that tier in any way, shape or form. The 4005 on the other hand, is balanced. Why? The KV-2 is a HEAVY tank with a huge hit point pool in that tier, that can delete other same tier HEAVIES. The 4005 is a TD with almost the smallest HP pool in the tier, 8kph reverse speed, 14mm turret the size of the moon, gun restrictions, penetration that can\’t penetrate same tier heavies easily at all thanks to spaced being common in the tier, and finally, The 4005 can\’t come close to 1 hitting same tier heavies without getting a rack, and thats given you penetrate the HESH. HE guns are being buffed in this update if you exclude the penetration damage, which didn\’t fit on tanks like the KV-2 anyway. Quit crying and play some actual tanks.

  7. If this Change makes it into the game, I am done, I won\’t look back either. GG WarGaming.

    Honestly High Damage Derps are one of the few truly fun things in this game, it can troll you just as much as the enemy.

    Unicums may not like derps, but this game will not survive if it was built to unicum preferences. While getting one shot may not be fun, its not something that happens as often as people make it out to be. Literally there will be no reason to load HE if this came to the live server. And tanks that rely on this Ammo will be fucked.

    I have hope it will be dropped, if anything I still believe HE needs a slight buff in regards to the HP and AP buffs. The only thing needing a nerf is Premium.

  8. Epic, they are taking a way one of the best parts of the game.. guess I have to find another game…

  9. This move it long awaited by most players, but what happens with the artillery? Why is it buffed? It is the most unpleasant thing along with the wheeled vehicles.
    I get more often 1 shooted by arty then Fv\’s

    1. They’re not getting buffed. Remember that the HE pen for them is going down to 0 also. The raw damage number may increase on paper but its unlikely that they’ll do as much damage now as they did before.

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