WoT 9.20 ST – M46 and M48A1

EDIT: Added MOAR pics

M48A1:

  • New turret (M48A5)

  • Increased frontal turret armor(left – old, right – new)

M46

  • Increased frontal turret armor

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71 thoughts on “WoT 9.20 ST – M46 and M48A1

      1. E50 is joke. If you have brain, pening E50 is easy. E50 should be armored MT on his tier, and he is not.

        Yea he should have stronger turret, that is trade off of having -8 gun dep, 220 pen, and not so great soft stats in compere to Patton on tier 9.

        On tier 10, M48 have very good soft stats on move, and turret , good aim time, one of the best, and now get over 300 effective turret armor? So why I should go for Centurion X ?

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        1. The E50 is the best tier 9 in the game. I don’t get why you’re defending it. -8 gun depression is plenty for something with a pretty good hull, good mobility, and still good soft stats with an overall far superior gun to the M46.

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          1. Im baffled by the fact that some people think E50 is even remotely bad, Way superior to the so called OP-54 that everyone is crying about

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            1. It’s because they think it’s for ramming tanks, and not primarily shooting them. He wants better armor so he can hit them with his sword!

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          2. Good mobility, with nerfed engine, when he use to have 1200 for his mass….yea ofc. Hull is good and bad in same time, upper plate is very good, and lower plate can be pen by tier 7 np. So hull is balanced.

            E50 is not superior to M47, they where balanced good vs each other. Now M47 get buff to turret armor, and this buff make no sense. US MT are not about armor, but fire on move, small bloom, good gun stabilization, and good gun dep, not about good armor , this is not their role, and WG change this role.

            E50 is best tier 9 med? Funny. “Weak” T54 get buff, then we have Obj 430 II which have insane turret armor on troll armor on hull, and you have AMX 30 tank is very good. E50 is not best, its good. But M47 dont need buff, same like E50 or T54. But from those 3 only E50 dont get buff.

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            1. Lower plate is strong enough to bounce IS gun around 50 % so how is that easy for tier 7?
              And of course you try to hide it and if you fight close range it wouldnt even be possible to hit it you have to try against the turret that is really narrow if you move the tank it will be hard to hit it
              I ve learnt this lesson in my T 54 getting brawled by E 50

              And by the way there is no M 47 in the game I think you mean M 46 probably
              I dont know why they buff M 46 but this tank has a very weak turret and the gun isnt on the same level as the E 50 the difference in shell velocity is very high makes it easier to lead
              and even without that the E 50 gun would be better
              The hull on the M 46 is garbage auto pen for everything the mobility isnt much better either max speed and terrain res is better for E 50

              and gun depression is only helpfull if you have some turret armor which was nerfed on the M 46 not so long ago

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              1. And how much chance you have to pen T54 hull with IS gun ? way less, and Obj 430II ? IS HT is HT that have low pen as tier 7 HT. Tiger , T29, O-Ni will have so much more chance to pen E50 lower plate.

                I have learn my lesson that in T54 i can kill E50 np. No like he always win or me.

                M46 just like t20 dont have or need turrer armor. Just like AMX 30, ffs. Those tank use mobility, gun soft stats to be effective. U have more then good enough aim time to snap shoot in M46.

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                1. T 54 is garbage horrible gun inaccurate bad soft stats and so on that was its worst problem
                  another is the armor is just not strong enough I remember I even penned it with IS 6 with standard armor one time of course its a little bit better than E 50 lower frontal hull but just not enough to be usefull against the most guns it faces and btw far weaker than E 50 upper hull and with T 54 you have to hide your complete frontal hull in the while you only have to hide lower hull in E 50
                  T 54 has bad gun depression good luck hiding your hull with such a problem and trying to hit anything you will fail anyway because gun is the worst in tier probably
                  even your turret isnt hard to pen atm
                  T 54 actually isnt even same tier compared to E 50 and probably the incoming buff wont make it same level still

                  If you play worse in E 50 compared to T 54 you re just bad in E 50 or very skilled in T 54

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                2. T 54 will only perform decent if you play gold only thats all but the tank is definately not good
                  and for the most player to play tier 9 is to expensive anyway even without using gold

                  Damage dealt tier 9 med E 50 :1718 second position for standard tier 9 med
                  T 54 : 1249 last position for standard tier 9 med

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        2. you ever played E 50?
          penning is easy today ? you can try to aim but you wont hit what you aimed at

          go on statistic sites as vbaddict check tanks winrate/ damage dealt and see E 50 as second tier 9 med after the skoda in damage dealt and even first in winrate with 53 %

          This tank has a good gun a very strong frontal armor and its not easy to hit the cheeks frontally in some distance especially after these accuracy nerfs and because it wont stand so long aiming with such an accuracy gun

          You can go 1 vs 1 against many tanks and you can play canyon against any tanks

          not so great soft stats really ?
          with this accuracy you will be able to instant fire without aiming and still have a smaller circle than
          M 46 aimed

          If anything this tank deserves a nerf

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        3. Get the AX because it’s a super accurate sniper tank. In other words: completely worthless on most maps so don’t bother.

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      1. Once they put all the love on a german tank, they call it the Waffentrager E-100. Well too much love – it became bad and have to remove it. :-D

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      1. wargaming probably trying to get more american players maybe thats the reason for the buff or they ll buff the brits later
        would be better to give the centurions the turret and the american the dpm or gun stats make them more unique than another turret buff like we already had with the french

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        1. But Centurion X should have turret armor, he has less dpm then M48 and worse soft sats on gun. Now M48 get better turret, so Centurion X its pointless.

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          1. Played the AX it has a good turret in hulldown situations
            but the ammorack is horrible it gets damaged 2 times a battle and the frontal upper hull is to weak on flat ground you can autoaim against it with tier ten guns
            never had that problem with the centurion 7 although they nerfed its frontal hull angle after the introduction of the AX I think so its harder for these who have to grind through it today

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        2. I don’t think so it would help to get bigger usa players base, because the game made by russians, not by usa company. The whole usa don’t like russians.

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          1. “The whole usa don’t like russians.”

            Not true. Only the idiots that listen to the gov’t/news propaganda ‘hate russians’ because they are told to. Most people in america don’t hate anyone from outside the US. We are just trying to get through life just like anyone in any country.

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          2. maybe to get a bigger player base in the US they try some stuff because of the undercrowded server
            At least I have the feeling on NA they get better offers or specials but could be wrong with that was just an idea because the M 46 isnt really underperforming I think although wasnt my fafourite tank and never played it again after they changed the turret

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          1. 8kph faster and having 25-30% better Terrain resistance while getting 28% more engine power doesnt make difference?????? , mobility difference is huge , what you are saying is like IS-3 and T-10 mobility doesn’t have any difference

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            1. 8kph is not much, and E50m has bad terrain resistance. And Patton is not fast tank, and E50m is slow on medmium and hard terrain.

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                1. Yes, because true loser to AMX 30b buff and now m48 Patton is STB 1 and Centurion X. About E50. For me, if E50 is slow med, and he should be about armor, then this armor should be good. He should have weakspot ofc. But with E50, all say he has good armor, bullshit.

                  Turret is one big weakspot, and hull have big weakspot too.

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                  1. you have to aim at the cheeks I am sure out of 2 shots versus me barely 30 percent have penned my turret
                    you will aim fast you will fire fast and the enemie will have trouble to hit
                    The E 50 meets tier 7 tanks which will be aiming years at you and probably fail to hit anything anyway if they aim to far right they bounce if they aim to far left they bounce the turret is great for long distance frontal engagements just dont let anybody shoot you from the sides and you will win a long distance against the most same tier enemies

                    The tank even got a buff in gun depression short time ago which make it even stronger now

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    1. Doesnt look any smaller to me. It seems to have the illusion of smaller due to the extra stuff up there like the machine gun mounts.

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  1. am i the only one who is really worried about the sweeping armor buffs to mediums? i mean they were already massively quicker than their ht peers now their gonna have armor which is way closer in terms of strength too. especially with the comparison between the m103 and m46 because the m103 has a turret about as strong as damp paper.

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    1. Na, its just wgs balancing: Instead of actually nerfing maus and type 5 armor again, they will buff armor of all other tanks followed by a buff of penetration for all tanks giving us the same result while costing them way more work. But why do it smart, if you can do it the wg way.

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    2. more armor means more bounce and more press 2
      means more money for wargaming

      All of the last changes you can be sure that this will be the main intention

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  2. Why should a medium have so much armor on the turret? Just make the Fatton more mobile, so it can avoid enemy fire and get out of situations more easily. They don’t have to make every tank idiot proof. A tier 8 can’t even pen a tier 10 medium turret anymore, what the fuck are they smoking at WG?

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    1. “They don’t have to make every tank idiot proof. ”

      This is what players want. Every time they scream BALANCE, that’s what they will get. To have perfect balance in all situations all tanks have to be the same.

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    2. yeah its stupid why should anybody grind all lines if every med has the same strenghts
      But ok wargaming decisions are stupid guess nobody even play the game there

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    3. A tier 8 cannot pen the tier 10 turret is a problem for you?
      How about a tier 10 having trouble to pen a tier 8 turret like the patriot the defender the liberty chrysler ?

      Uh btw all are new premiums recent theory confirmed

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      1. The tier 8 turrets that are hard to pen are heavy tanks. Only the Chrysler hs no weakspots, but the other heavies are not invincible while hulldown.

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        1. yes as if it mean anything if wargaming call them heavy or medium

          Check out the mobility of the super pershing compared to this of a chrysler its 9 hp/t versus 20 hp/t
          you think the ground resistance will make it even? no you re wrong the “medium” tank gets fucked even more

          so I dont give anything about how wargaming call their tanks if they re mobile they shouldnt be armored and that a tier 8 tank cannot be penned by a tier 10 is something that isnt very good for the game

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    1. Don´t think so i guess they just keep the old turret as it is and the m48 gets the new one.
      They wanted to buff the 59-Patton but i just don´t think it will get that turret.

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  3. *Effective values below*

    M46 patton,hmm…I think the buff was needed to be honest,apart from the gun handling and the good DPM does the m46 has anything going for it?

    Speed is mediocre,armor is garbage both turret(which is fat and big) and the hull,and it’s penetration is 218.The e50 might have worse tank traverse,but it has better terrain resistances and a 60 km/h top speed limit,plus cent 7/1 is a bit faster as well.

    The E50 with the 88mm and no equipment has 3K DPM… and the m46 has 2.7K and 0.47 accuracy which is just bad.

    But to be Honest,I hope they do something about the cent 7/1’s turret armor.It can be penned by tier 8’s easily and its DPM is abysmal at 2.1K.

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    1. M 46 has 0.37 acc probably a typo I think right but its still bad
      cent 7/1 has very bad gun stats otherwise the turret would be ok not easy to avoid the strong parts so you will get some bounces
      but against this tanks you have the time to aim at which you dont have against the E 50
      Frontal hull is also not good anymore this tank is made for long range sniping which isnt possible anymore because wargaming changed the maps to close encounter and never compensated

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  4. E 50 I wouldnt use the 88 the situations you will be able to deal the dpm are very little
    With 300 pen maybe actually no way
    It still only has one gun that makes sense to use fully grinded
    at least you have a gun that helps you grind the good one now maybe

    wasnt the case for me although I rescearched and played it as I had this tank stupid I know but was my first line ;)

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  5. Btw since when does the E 50 has equal dpm as T 54 ?
    Thought it was one of the strong points of T 54 must have missed the buff probably

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    1. Patton line is lovely. M46/47 is nice.
      Well, M48 patton is (was?) acquired taste because that big cupola, but if it get smaller it will be easier to play.

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  6. armour armour armour… evryone want armour… soon it will be like: ”hey now i cant even pen medium tanks, load the gold.

    be careful what you wish for…

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  7. New fake tank: M48A1 hull with M48A5 turret. Would be better if WG also redesigned the hull to the M48A2 standart, that would be correct with the M48A5 turret.
    #keephistoricitynottoowrong

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  8. The M48 got buffed and it is a much better tank. My scores in it reflect this. The M46 got buffed but it seems to have done little for the tank. The problem with the M46 is it just doesn’t have a gun for tier 9. Its standard pen is 215. Compare this to the Centurion 7/1, the Chinese tier 9 medium, the czech tier 9, etc, etc. You can fire gold but compare that to the other tanks and you are still miles behind.

    The only way to play it is to run away from all tier 10s you see and most of the tier 9s. concentrate on clubbing tier 8s. hope you last long enough to get flank shots at the end of game. just a poor tank because of the gun

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