Supertest: Bat.-Châtillon 12 t

Tier VIII French Light (regular) to come in the first half of 2017.

Statistics:

HP: 1000
Engine: 300 hp
Mass: 12,15 t
Power-to-weight: 24,69 hp / t
Max speed: 68 / -23 km / h
Hull turning speed: 42 °/s
Turret turning speed: 48 °/s
Terrain resistance values: 0,671 / 0,767 / 1,342
View range: 390 m
Radio range: 750 m

Hull armor: 40 / 20 / ? mm
Turret armor: 25 / 25 / ? mm

Gun: Canon de 75 mm Vo 1000 m/s

Alpha Damage: 150 / 150 / 185
Penetration: 170 / 200 / 38 mm
Rate Of Fire: 9,382 rounds/minute
Damage Per Minute: 1407,3
Reload time (magazine): 19,58 s
Reload time between magazine rounds: 2,0 s
Rounds in magazine: 4
Accuracy: 0,364
Aiming time: 2,21 s
Depression/Elevation: -6 / +13

Gun: Canon de 75 mm Vo 920 m/s

Alpha Damage: 150 / 150 / 185
Penetration: 124 / 182 / 38 mm

Gun: Canon de 75 mm Vo 878 m/s

Alpha Damage: 150 / 150 / 185
Penetration: 114 / 172 / 38 mm

** 3 crew members

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23 thoughts on “Supertest: Bat.-Châtillon 12 t

    1. no, it’s a tier 8 and will replace the AMX-13 90 and the stats for the gun are almost the same for the 90mm on the AMX-13 90, the differnce is that the “premium” ammo has less 48mm of pen
      in fact expect a really tough grind since the stock guns are far weaker than even the tier 6 AMX-12t (144mm pen with AP and 200 with “premium”), the same gun used on the current tier 7 AMX-13 75
      114mm of pen at tier 8 when you come from tier 7 with 144mm of pen and already struggling? add to that the fact that you won’t have any of the guns already researched since they will be completely new to the game

      the whole vehicle feels like a AMX-12t with overbuffed gun since the only value on which it is superior to the AMX-12t is the AP penetration (+26mm) and speed (+8km/h, of course this includes better power-to-weight ratio), all the rest it has less
      armor: 40/20 vs 50/20/15
      turret: 25/25 vs 30/20/20
      magazine: 4 vs 6
      ROF: 9.38 vs 11.89
      in soft stats (aiming) it’s better wich is to expect from a tier 8 vs a tier 6

      I think SEB, or any of the guys who work on this blog, should do a side-by-side comparision between the AMX-12t>>>Bat.-Chat 12t>>>AMX-13 75

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      1. You forget that these new light tanks will get normal MM instead of scout MM. This means you need to compare it to the current amx 13-75, not the 13-90

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        1. normal MM for tier 8 is tier 8, 9 and 10
          it just feels wrong to have a tank at tier 8 that is worse than the ones at tier 6 and 7
          I can’t say for sure that the values to the 75mm gun is wrong but it gets 170mm of pen vs 144mm on the tier 6/7 when it fires the AP shell at the exact same speed of 1000m/s (I do know the shell used for testing may cause diferences, like using AP Shot instead of APC or APCBC, but that is not taken into account in WoT)

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          1. It will have the same mm as 13-75 had, so comparing it to 13-90 is pointless. That being said it could use some buffs considering 13-75 wasn’t that good. 20 sec reload for 600 clip damage? they could easily lower the clip reload to 15 sec.

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            1. it is, have you compared stats? there’s 2 points on which the Bat-Chat 12t is superior and that is power-to-weight ratio and +26mm of pen with standard AP, it’s worse than even the tier 6 in everything else (even premium ammo penetration)
              it honestly feels like the gun was overbuffed to compensate for the whole mess, both guns fire at 1000m/s but somehow the Bat-Chat has more penetration, IRL it could happen with different types of AP shells but they usually only use the most common type of shell used for each tank (or in this case for testing), if they always chose the shell with most penetration american 90mm guns would have to be buffed

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          2. What you people overlook is, that the tier 8s are not the only ones who are going to loose their stretched matchmaking. Prepare for some silly nerfs on the Tier<8 light tanks.

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    1. Yes, it was one of the way to designate some (most of the time, experimental) guns.. By the way, this tank is a blatant WG-FAKE !! So i don’t even know if these guns really existed..

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    1. IMO, considering this tank is a blatant FAKE, i think that the tank we should have at tier 8 should be the ELC AMX bis!! Because in fact it should have a fully rotating turret when stationary (wich is easily implementable with siege mode today..). It should also historically have better pen and gun depression (-8° rather than -5°).. And if you give it a decent accuracy and dpm, it could become a really fun vehicule to play! :)

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    1. You can expect some of those guns to be researchable on the tanks before it, plus some nerfs on ther Tier <8 light tanks as well. Prepare for an even shittier 13/75 and 12t.

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  1. I don’t understand thsi shit.
    They make french LT’s some of the worst in the game and for no good reason. They give them the lowest HP, lowest pen, the worst top speeds, worst view ranges and again there is no good reason to do that. Magazines are nothing special because htey nerfed them to the ground and most of the time they are very useless because of the crappy pen and the fact that you can’t swithc to prem ammo in a short period of time.

    At least give them better view range than that of t8 HT’s.

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  2. I feell the same about the f*ck they are doing to the french tech tree.. But I think it’s not a good option to just bump all the tanks a tier higher, considering how bad they are currently balanced and historicaly implemented. The ELC AMX (without the “bis”, it’s the actual name of the version you’re talking about..) have the same gun as the “bis”, so it would be too OP at tier 5.. But in fact, IMHO, the ELC AMX bis we have in game should be at tier 8 (because many historical buffs incoming..)!

    And, also this tank WG is putting in ST is once again a a fckn fake!
    ..So you would say, we lack a tank to fullfill the line! Let me explain how the line would be:

    – put the AMX 12t at tier 5 (because historically it shouldn’t have an autoloader… and should have 90mm-ish pen with is real top gun)
    – at tier 6, a new tank, the AMX 13 FL11 (wich is a pre-serie of the AMX 13, with an other turret, and also no autoloader.. AND note that WG have modeled this one few years ago: http://www.mmowg.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/amx13.jpg ),
    – tier 7: keeping the AMX 13/75 (because it should have its top engine nerfed a bit, and because it is already pretty weak compared.. to all the other t7 lights..).
    – tier 8 : Bump the magnifient ELC AMX bis, because its gun should be buffed, pen/accuracy/dpm wise.. and because right now with siege mode we can have its authentic fully rotating turret implemented when stationary (it would be so much fun to play it balanced that way! 🙂 )!
    – tier 9 : AMX 13/90
    – tier 10 : AMX 13/105

    And the AMX ELC your were refering to could be a nice tier 7 or 8 premium.. In order to allow WG to earn some money from this line rework!

    That way, this line would be really chronological, with no fake tanks, and with tanks that really saw combats (thinking about you AMX 13 FL11.. ), much more diverse and fun to play, and really not OP if balanced well! 😉

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    1. Tier 5 – AMX 12t non-autoloader
      Tier 6 – AMX 13 FL11 non-autoloader
      Tier 7 – *
      Tier 8 – ELC AMX fully rotating turret
      Tier 9 – AMX 13 75/90
      Tier 10 – AMX 13 105

      *New tank to avoid too many AMX 13

      Really like that idea and WG should consider it

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      1. Tier 5 – *
        Tier 6 – AMX 12t non-autoloader
        Tier 7 – AMX 13 FL11 non-autoloader
        Tier 8 – ELC AMX fully rotating turret
        Tier 9 – AMX 13 75/90
        Tier 10 – AMX 13 105

        Since scout MM will be gone they could bump 12t and FL11 but give them successor guns

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  3. Tier 8 Light Tank
    a 75 mm gun with just 150 alpha damage? am I reading this correctly~

    that’s a maybe (it bounced, ricochet, it missed) as its a low 170 penetration,
    So with maybe alpha damage of just 600 max, but probably 450 max as 1 shell always flies into the sky, ground etc.

    then wait 20 seconds

    that’s Tier 8 LT with just T6 alpha damage of 150?

    or is this part of WG new Sandbox 2017 of ‘close in brawling corridors city’ fighting with Heavy Tanks strategy where its just 50 meters brawling for all tanks, where 170mm pen is enough?

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