Supertest: Leopard Prototyp A and E 50 Complete Changes

~ Sebastianul

This is the first iteration for the German Leopard PT A and the second for the E 50.

E 50:

E 50 Ausf A. Turret:
The armor of the turret was thickened from 120 to 185 mm.
E 50 Ausf. B turret:
Turret armor increased from 185 to 215 mm.
10.5 cm Kw.K. L / 52 Ausf B.
AP shell penetration increased from 220 to 230 mm.

Leopard Prototyp A:

The aim spread of the gun while the vehicle is moving increased for the Leopard Prototype A1 suspension from 0.18 to 0.22;
The aim spread of the gun during vehicle rotation was increased for the Leopard Prototyp A1 suspension from 0.18 to 0.22;
The aim spread of the gun at the maximum vehicle speed was increased for the Leopard Prototype A1 suspension from 11.70 to 14.30;
The aim spread of the gun at the maximum vehicle rotation speed was increased for the Leopard Prototype A1 suspension from 7.32 to 8.95;
The aim spread of the gun while the vehicle is moving increased for the Leopard Prototype A2 suspension from 0.16 to 0.20;
The aim spread of the gun during vehicle rotation was increased for the Leopard Prototyp A2 suspension from 0.16 to 0.20;
The aim spread of the gun at the maximum vehicle speed was increased for the Leopard Prototype A2 suspension from 10.40 to 13.00;
The aim spread of the gun at the maximum vehicle rotation speed was increased for the Leopard Prototyp A2 suspension from 7.34 to 9.18;
10.5 cm L7A1 gun with the Porsche Standardpanzer turret fitted:
The aiming time of the gun was increased from 1.82 to 1.92 s;
The aim spread of the gun during turret rotation increased from 0.1 to 0.12;
The aim spread of the gun was increased during turret rotation at maximum speed from 3.65 to 4.38.

35 thoughts on “Supertest: Leopard Prototyp A and E 50 Complete Changes”

      1. Wow, someone else used well knowed line from movie, we should ban him immediately and give you all the internet points!! /s

        1. On the EXACT SAME topic, two days later.

          Yeah mate, it’s pure happenstance…

          2. Looks like you got some angerproblems mate. And maybe a narcistic disorder. Also, no, i didnt read the first article if there was one, and for sure I didnt read the comment. But it is the only comment I can think of when I read what they have planned, this and that the people in charge for that are complete retards etc, but that comment got deleted in the forums.

  4. It’s not the players – it’s WG.

    They want you to play the t10 (where you loose credits and need prem account)

      2. I play them a lot and earn plenty of credits doing it. Sounds like you are doing something wrong if you aren’t.

  5. I assume the PTA is doing better than 279E and Chieftain, as I do not see those tanks being nerfed. ?
    Raise the alarm! Something German and not premium is doing well.

    1. You realize that 279E, chief and other tanks aren’t part of the normal balancing? That what makes the crying here so obviously stupid.

  6. This is just crazy. Wargaming would never dare apply such a brutal nerf to a Russian tank.

  8. WTF is the problem with le Leopard PT A??? On the EU server its average Winratio is only 48,43%… one the worst of all tier 9 tanks! And at the same tier you have the Kampfpanzer 50 t wich tops at 60% winratio!

    1. You’re comparing wholly different tanks though. The Kampfpanzer is mostly being played by skilled players so statistically its skewed towards a higher skill ratio.

      The Leo PTA on the other hand is played by good and bad players though predominately bad players. So its stats are more representative of the playerbase as a whole rather than just skilled players as is the case with the Kampfpanzer

      1. Yeah, of course… But that doesn’t change the fact that this thing is clearly OP compared to the Leo since this is far too much armor for such good all-rounder medium tank.

    2. You realize that the stats you refer are not just recent stats but overall since ages? Thus they aren’t showing things accurately.

  10. To not only have negative comments: Those buffs for E50 look great. I wonder about the reload buffs, that were mentioned earlier.

    For PTA: well, it’s Supertest. There is a slight chance WG reconsiders …
    A very slight chance.

  11. Nice buff to E 50, not sure if it will make a big difference but at least the turret won’t get penned by lower tiers that often.

    I don’t understand the Leopard nerfs though, unlike the Standard B it’s not a problem tank.

  12. A bad tank will be played more to gather the needed xp. The effect will compound, bad tank, bad games, bad players into more shitty battles and losses.

  13. First they shiet on Standard B now on Leo PTA. OK I sold already the tier 9 italian tank since is now so frustrating to play, now they want to sell the PTA too ?

  14. Biases aside, looking at the tank winrate curve on wot-news:
    The Leo PTA is slightly overperforming for good players.
    So I guess a very small nerf would put it back at average.
    My opinion is that it needs a nerf, not what is listed in the article, this seems too much.
    Am I the only one looking at this curve ?

    2. It doesnt need a nerf at all. Germans have mostly shitty tanks, why cant one be a bit better? Its nothing gamebreaking, nor stupidly overpowered. And its not a common tank at all. There is absolutely no reason for this bullshit nerf.

    3. According to wot-news.com, comparing black and blue curves:
      PTA curves intersect at 56%. Meaning a 56% winrate player can get 56% winrate in that tank.Below 56% winrate players have lowerwinrate in this tank than their overall performance.
      T-54 curves intersect at 53%. Meaning it is easier for players between 53% – 56% winrate to do better in this tank than PTA.
      Obj 430-II at 50%.
      Obj 430 at 46%.
      M26 at 52%.
      Cent 7/1 at 53%.
      UDES 16 at 51%.
      CS 59 at 52%, but this is a new tank.
      Type 61 at 54%.
      Standard B at 49%.
      E50 at 54%.
      AMX 30 at 51%.
      BC 25t AP at 60%.
      TVP T50 at 50%.
      WZ-120 at 55%.
      The higher intersetion point, the harder to do better in that tank than your overall performance.

      1. Here is a more complete set of data.
        Overall to Recent to
        Reference Reference
        430 46% 46.0%
        430 II 50% 54.5%
        T-54 53% 54.5%
        M46 53% 53.0%
        Cent 7/1 53% 53.0%
        UDES 16 50% 50.0%
        CS 59 52% N/A
        Type 61 53% 53.0%
        Standard B 49% 51.0%
        Leopard PTA 56% 51.0%
        E 50 54% 45.0% 54.5% 61.0%
        AMX 30 51% 54.0%
        BC 25t AP 60% Did Not Meet
        TVP T50 50% 52.0%
        WZ-120 55% 46.0% 55.0%

        E 50 and WZ-120 both have multiple intersections on recent and reference curves.
        Formatting is completely ignored by system. Here is a screenshot.
        https://imgur.com/cBZkGkG

      2. Nice job listing them all here !
        What do you think about the third line ?
        Not an expert here. Should it be better to take the ”recent” curve since it was buffed nor so recently ?
        Or is the dark line more representative ?
        That said, if the black line is the way to go, then I retract what I said and it’s clear a nerf is not needed at all.
        Cheers !

        1. What do you mean? There are 3 curves, reference, overall, and recent. Each of the last two intersects with the first one, so there are usually 2 intersection points. If recent intersection is lower than overall, that means that tank is getting better. In the case of PTA, it is getting better after the buff, because it was buffed.
          Is it overpowered? I think not. If you have 51% winrate, you will do worse than 51% in PTA. But, if you have 47% winrate, you will do better than 47% in OBJ 430. Which tank is better? Which tank is bringing your winrate higher? I do not think it is PTA. I do not think it needs a nerf based on these data.
          This is based on data from Aug 24th.

  16. People still cry that WG nerf it because is german bla bla bla.
    -430 and 430U are germans too? (they totally deserve a nerf and they get it so…)
    -Maus, E100, and E50M arent germans??? (so why they buff it if they are anti-german?)
    Try harder… WG just nerf and buff in idiotic way (sometimes they do the correct think but not all the time), still not buffing the Pz3K thats an underperforming tank, also the SU-85I is not the best tank..

    Polish mediums got OVERNerfed from the supertest to the Test then never buffed in the test.
    EBRs are still a problem (they are french i think or u say they are russians?? )
    T-62A it is not a russian tank?? its not the best tank i ever see. (mmm i think there is no russian bias at this point….)

    WG is just Fail… thats it FAILGaming

    Still not putting the m26/m46E1 as the same tank on tier 8 (lost the 105 fake gun) and leave the tier 9 place for M48A1-M48A3 (Elite turret as tier 10 but with great 90dpm APCR/HEAT no 105)

    WG is bottic but comunnity is also more bottic sometimes

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