Many more vehicles are being changed than are listed on Wargaming’s web page. Though their average penetration values at 100 meters are not changing, their penetration dropoff values are.
The values listed on the information cards are only for 100 meters, once a kinetic round passes that point the penetration decays linearly until the round reaches 500 meters, where it ceases dropping. As tanks ascend in tier this dropoff…drops off, becoming less consequential. Tier 10 mediums are the common poster children for this, the ones that fire APCR only lose 10mm at 500 meters (though the M41 Bulldog and T71 are the secret winners, with only 2mm loss).
On the 9.9 test server this is changing, with dropoff becoming much more severe. I (StranaMechty, Redditor) have compiled a spreadsheet (shock! surprise!) of all affected weapons. Before you click, though, some notes and trends.
Notes
- Some TD-specific variants of existing tank weapons were decoupled from the formerly identical stats of their counterparts. Usually this makes for a more powerful gun on the TDs than on the tanks, but not always. Pay attention to the notes column.
- Tanks that formerly shared weapons with their tier 10s (ST-I and IS-4), or tier 9s from a different line (T30 and T95) may have been given a new gun with different stats. The 120mm on the AMX 50 120 is now markedly worse than the 120mm on the AMX 50B, for example. These weapons are denoted with a red background on the name and a note in the far right column. In cases such as this I have listed the values of the gun this new weapon was replacing as the “current” values. I do not know if this means unlocking the 113 will unlock the top gun for the WZ-120 (or similar such scenarios) any more.
- The grey columns are standard ammo, the gold columns premium ammo. If you only see values for 100m penetration, the round is HEAT and does not decay. If you don’t see any values in a column set, that particular round has not changed. German 10.5cm KwK 46 L/68, for instance, only had APCR change, so the AP column set is empty.
General Trends – May not always hold true
- TDs get slightly more powerful variants of tank guns.
- If a vehicle shares a weapon with its predecessor, it generally gets a slightly improved variant.
- Penetration dropoff is much more severe with kinetic rounds than it was before.
- With but a few exceptions, it seems almost everything is tier 8-10, lower tiers largely untouched.
- Lights and arty untouched.
All changes are here:
| Nation | Gun | Current 100m | Current 500m | New 100m | New 500m | Current 100m | Current 500m | New 100m | New 500m | Notes |
|
China
|
57mm 55-57FG | 112 | 98 | 112 | 99 | |||||
| 85mm 56-85JT | 128 | 111 | 128 | 113 | 172 | 139 | 172 | 143 | ||
| 100mm 59-100T 342 | 181 | 160 | 181 | 159 | 241 | 213 | 230 | 191 | Replaces 100mm 59-100T on T-34-2 | |
| 100mm 62-100T | 215 | 185 | 215 | 189 | 265 | 255 | 250 | 207 | ||
| 122mm D-25T | 175 | 152 | 175 | 154 | ||||||
| 122mm 60-122T 120 | 249 | 235 | 220 | 194 | 340 | 330 | Replaces 122mm 60-122T on WZ-120 | |||
| 122mm 60-122TG | 258 | 244 | 235 | 207 | 340 | 320 | ||||
| 130mm 59-130T | 244 | 225 | 232 | 204 | 340 | 300 | ||||
|
France
|
90mm DCA 45 | 212 | 193 | 212 | 187 | 259 | 228 | 259 | 215 | |
| 90mm DCA 45 AC | 259 | 228 | 259 | 215 | French “AC” weapons are the TD-specific variant. | |||||
| 100mm SA 47 | 232 | 205 | 232 | 204 | ||||||
| 100mm SA 47 AC | 232 | 205 | 232 | 204 | 263 | 253 | 263 | 218 | French “AC” weapons are the TD-specific variant. | |
| 105mm CN 105 57 | 259 | 249 | 241 | 200 | ||||||
| 105mm mle F1 | 260 | 250 | 242 | 213 | 320 | 330 | ||||
| 120mm SA 46 | 257 | 237 | 241 | 212 | 325 | 297 | 282 | 234 | ||
| 120mm SA 46 50B | 257 | 237 | 257 | 226 | Replaces 120mm SA 46 on AMX 50B | |||||
| 120mm SA 46 AC | 257 | 237 | 241 | 212 | 325 | 297 | 282 | 234 | French “AC” weapons are the TD-specific variant. | |
| 120mm SA 46 AC Foch | 257 | 237 | 257 | 226 | 325 | 297 | 316 | 262 | Replaces 120mm SA 46 AC on tier 9 Foch | |
| 155mm SA 58 AC | 293 | 283 | 280 | 246 | 395 | 370 | French “AC” weapons are the TD-specific variant. | |||
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Germany
|
9cm KwK 51 L/71 | 259 | 228 | 240 | 200 | |||||
| 10.5cm KwK 45 L/52 | 200 | 183 | 208 | 183 | ||||||
| 10.5cm KwK 45 L/52 Ausf. B | 270 | 235 | 260 | 216 | ||||||
| 10.5cm KwK 45 L/52 Ausf. K | 270 | 260 | 240 | 200 | 330 | 310 | ||||
| 10.5cm L7A1 | 268 | 258 | 243 | 201 | 330 | 310 | ||||
| 10.5cm L7A3 | 268 | 258 | 243 | 202 | 330 | 310 | ||||
| 10.5cm KwK 46 L/68 | 285 | 249 | 250 | 207 | ||||||
| 12.8cm KwK 44 L/55 | 246 | 241 | 246 | 216 | 311 | 263 | 311 | 258 | ||
| 12.8cm PaK 44 L/55 | 246 | 241 | 246 | 216 | 311 | 263 | 311 | 258 | German “PaK” weapons are TD-specific variants | |
| 12.8cm K44 L/55 | 246 | 241 | 246 | 216 | 311 | 263 | 280 | 232 | “K” weapon specific to Waffentragger line | |
| 12.8cm K44 2 L/61 | 276 | 261 | 276 | 243 | 352 | 295 | 320 | 265 | “K” weapon specific to Waffentragger line | |
| 15cm KwK 44 L/38 | 235 | 220 | 243 | 214 | 334 | 325 | ||||
| 15cm Rohr L/38 | 235 | 220 | 235 | 206 | ||||||
| 17cm PaK K72 | 299 | 289 | 278 | 245 | 420 | 370 | ||||
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Japan
|
75mm Gun Type 5 M1 | 155 | 140 | 155 | 136 | 186 | 168 | 186 | 154 | |
| 75mm Gun Type 5 M1 Auto | 155 | 140 | 155 | 136 | 186 | 168 | 186 | 154 | ||
| 90mm Gun Type 61 | 218.7 | 205.5 | 218 | 192 | ||||||
| 105mm Rifled Gun | 258 | 248 | 245 | 203 | 330 | 320 | ||||
|
UK
|
105mm L7 | 268 | 258 | 240 | 211 | |||||
| 105mm AT L7 | 268 | 258 | 240 | 200 | “AT” weapons are TD-specific | |||||
| 120mm L1A1 | 259 | 239 | 259 | 227 | ||||||
| 120mm L1A1 Conqueror | 259 | 239 | 240 | 211 | 326 | 298 | 300 | 249 | Replaces 120mm L1A1 on Conqueror | |
| 120mm AT L1A1 | 259 | 239 | 240 | 211 | 326 | 298 | 300 | 249 | “AT” weapons are TD-specific | |
| 183mm AT Gun | 310 | 300 | 285 | 251 | ||||||
|
USA
|
90mm T178 | 173 | 162 | 181 | 162 | |||||
| 90mm T15E2M2 | 180 | 160 | 190 | 167 | 268 | 245 | 240 | 200 | ||
| 105mm T5E1 | 198 | 175 | 205 | 180 | ||||||
| 105mm T5E1M2 | 265 | 221 | 250 | 207 | ||||||
| 105mm M68 | 268 | 258 | 243 | 215 | 330 | 310 | ||||
| 105mm T140E2 | 210 | 201 | 210 | 185 | 255 | 245 | 245 | 203 | ||
| 120mm T179 | 340 | 310 | ||||||||
| 120mm M58 | 340 | 310 | ||||||||
| 120mm AT T53 | 297 | 255 | 280 | 232 | “AT” weapons are TD-specific | |||||
| 155mm AT T7 | 276 | 258 | 276 | 243 | 320 | 280 | 320 | 265 | ||
| 155mm AT T7 T30 | 276 | 258 | 250 | 220 | 320 | 280 | 300 | 249 | Replaces 155mm AT T7 on T30 | |
| 155mm AT T7E2 | 295 | 285 | 280 | 246 | 375 | 365 | 330 | 274 | ||
|
USSR
|
100mm D-10T2C | 201 | 181 | 201 | 177 | 330 | 300 | |||
| 100mm LB-1 | 175 | 155 | 183 | 161 | 235 | 208 | 235 | 195 | ||
| 100mm D-54 obr. 45 | 330 | 300 | ||||||||
| 100mm U-8TS (D-54-TS, D-54M) | 264 | 254 | 232 | 193 | 330 | 310 | Tier 10 Soviet medium gun under various names | |||
| 100mm D-54S | 219 | 194 | 226 | 200 | D-54S is the TD-specific variant of the D-54T | |||||
| 100mm M-63 | 330 | 300 | ||||||||
| 107mm ZiS-24 | 289 | 251 | 255 | 212 | ||||||
| 122mm BL-9 | 265 | 250 | 255 | 244 | ||||||
| 122mm M62 | 258 | 250 | 240 | 211 | 340 | 300 | ||||
| 122mm M62 IS-4 | 258 | 250 | 258 | 227 | Replaces 122mm M62 on IS-4 | |||||
| 122mm M62S | 258 | 250 | 258 | 227 | TD-specific variant | |||||
| 130mm S-70A | 290 | 280 | 280 | 232 | 330 | 320 | 330 | 274 | ||
| 152mm BL-10 | 286 | 276 | 276 | 243 | 329 | 289 | 320 | 265 | ||
| 152mm M64 | 303 | 293 | 286 | 252 | 395 | 375 |
