Full French Battleship Tree Proposal (Player-Made)

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Tier III: Courbet

Type: Historical – 1913

  • HP: 33,100
  • Armor Details: 270mm main belt, 180mm upper belt, 70mm main deck
  • Main Armament: 6×2 305mm/45 Model 1910
  • Firing Range: 10.3 km
  • Rate of Fire: 2.0 rounds/minute
  • HE Shell Damage: 3,500
  • AP Shell Damage: 8,600
  • Secondary Armament: 22x 138.6mm Model 1910
  • Secondary Firing Range: 3.5 km
  • Long-Range AA Armament: 6×1 75mm/50 Model 1922
  • Long-Range AA DPS: 9
  • Short-Range AA Armament: 6×2 + 2×1 13.2mm/76 Model 1929
  • Short-Range AA DPS: 16 + 3
  • Maximum Speed: 21 knots
  • Turning Circle Radius: 580 meters
  • Surface Detection Range: 10.7 km

Thoughts: Essentially a Kawachi. Likely to be a derpy little ship that no one will spend time on.


Tier IV: Bretagne (Lorraine)

Type: Historical – 1915 (Lorraine 1938)

  • HP: 42,600
  • Armor Details: 250mm main belt, 160mm upper belt, 50mm main deck, 70mm armored slopes
  • Main Armament: 4×2 340mm/45 Model 1912
  • Firing Range: 13.1 km
  • Rate of Fire: 2.0 rounds/minute
  • HE Shell Damage: 4,400
  • AP Shell Damage: 9,100
  • Secondary Armament: 14x 138.6mm Model 1910
  • Secondary Firing Range: 4.0 km
  • Long-Range AA Armament: 4×2 100mm/45 Model 1930
  • Long-Range AA DPS: 63
  • Mid-Range AA Armament: 8×1 37mm/50 Model 1933
  • Mid-Range AA DPS: 8
  • Short-Range AA Armament: 2×4 13.2mm/76 Model 1931
  • Short-Range AA DPS: 29
  • Maximum Speed: 20 knots
  • Turning Circle Radius: 590 meters
  • Surface Detection Range: 14.5 km

Thoughts: I chose Lorraine as she was refitted with a catapult. As a note, despite the 340mm caliber, the gun is quite weak and will have poor ballistics and penetration.


Tier V: Normandie

Type: Completed – 1914, but were ordered to be scrapped according to the WNT with Béarn being completed as an aircraft carrier

  • HP: 48,600
  • Armor Details:Normandie
  • Main Armament: 3×4 340mm/45 Model 1912
  • Firing Range: 15.2 km
  • Rate of Fire: 2.0 rounds/minute
  • HE Shell Damage: 4,400
  • AP Shell Damage: 9,100
  • Secondary Armament: 24x 138.6mm Model 1910
  • Secondary Firing Range: 4.5 km
  • Short-Range AA Armament: 6x 47mm/40 Hotchkiss 3-pdr
  • Short-Range AA DPS: Negligible
  • Maximum Speed: 21 knots
  • Turning Circle Radius: 670 meters
  • Surface Detection Range: 14.9 km

Thoughts: Introduction of the quadruple turret. This will very much need a fictional hull refit to work at Tier V in terms of AA (unless WG is content with it).


Tier VI: Strasbourg

Type: Historical – 1939 (Strasbourg is given a fictional (theoretical) USA refit of 1943 as a top hull)

  • HP: 53,800
  • Armor Details:DunkerqueStrasbourg: 283mm armored belt, 228mm bulkhead, 50mm armored slopes, 360mm turret faces
  • Main Armament: 2×4 330mm/52 Model 1931
  • Rate of Fire: 2.1 rounds/minute
  • HE Shell Damage: 4,800
  • AP Shell Damage: 9.700
  • Secondary Armament: 3×4 + 2×2 130mm/45 Model 1932
  • Secondary Firing Range: 5.0 km
  • Long-Range AA Armament: 3×2 + 2×2 130mm/45 Model 1932
  • Long-Range AA DPS: 36 + 17
  • Mid-Range AA Armament: 10×4 40mm/56 Bofors Mark 2
  • Mid-Range AA DPS: 159
  • Short-Range AA Armament: 28×1 20mm/70 Oerlikon Mark 4
  • Short-Range AA DPS: 100
  • Maximum Speed: 30 knots
  • Turning Circle Radius: 730 meters
  • Surface Detection Range: 16.4 km

Thoughts: Basically a better Dunkerque. It will be interesting to see what will be done with Strasbourg, and if she will get this massive USA refit.


Tier VII Croiseur de Bataille 37,000t Type A/B

Type: Design – 1928

  • HP: 57,500
  • Armor Details:37,000t Type A
  • Main Armament: 3×4 305mm – Type A, 3×2 406mm/45 – Type B
  • Firing Range: 19.1 km
  • Rate of Fire: 2.6 rounds/minute – Type A, 2.1 rounds/minute – Type B
  • HE Shell Damage: 3,500 – Type A, 6,000 – Type B
  • AP Shell Damage: 8,600 – Type A, 11,900 – Type B
  • Secondary Armament: 3×4 130mm/45 Model 1932 – Type A (4×4 for Type B)
  • Secondary Firing Range: 5.0 km
  • Long-Range AA Armament: 3×4 130mm/45 Model 1932 – Type A (4×4 for Type B)
  • Long-Range AA DPS: 48 (36)
  • Mid-Range AA Armament: 8×1 90mm/50 Model 1926
  • Mid-Range AA DPS: 31
  • Maximum Speed: 33 knots – Type A, 27 knots – Type B
  • Turning Circle Radius: 850 meters – Type A, 800 meters – Type B
  • Surface Detection Range: Not currently available

Thoughts: This is what is called the “missing link” between the dreadnoughts of the pre-WNT era and Dunkerque. Avid history people will note the exclusion of the Lyon battleship design. This is due to a slight amount of personal intervention, as I do not believe that Lyon can be made as a balanced ship without heavy amounts of gimping somewhere (16x 340mm guns, the most number of guns in any broadside of any battleship in the game). But don’t abandon ship just yet, as I do believe Lyon deserves a spot as a premium, albeit with some thought put in to how the implementation will go along with a fictional hull refit to accommodate.


Tier VIII Richelieu

Type: Historical – 1940 (Richelieu is given the Brooklyn Naval Yard refit of 1943)

Side Note: Funny (kind of, but not really) story about the refit.

  • HP: 67,500
  • Armor Details:Richelieu – 430mm turret faces
  • Main Armament: 2×4 380mm/45 Model 1935
  • Firing Range: 22.9 km
  • Rate of Fire: 2.1 rounds/minute (this is the optimistic and corrected rate of fire, as the shell hoists were particularly bad until they could be modified)
  • HE Shell Damage: 5,900
  • AP Shell Damage: 11,800
  • Secondary Armament: 3×3 152mm/55 Model 1936 + 6×2 100mm/45 Model 1937
  • Secondary Firing Range: 7.0 km
  • Long-Range AA Armament: 6×2 100mm/45 Model 1937
  • Long-Range AA DPS: 94
  • Mid-Range AA Armament: 14×4 40mm/56 Bofors Mark 2
  • Mid-Range AA DPS: 222
  • Short-Range AA Armament: 48×1 20mm/70 Oerlikon Mark 4
  • Short-Range AA DPS: 172
  • Maximum Speed: 32 knots
  • Turning Circle Radius: 860 meters
  • Surface Detection Range: 16.6 km

Thoughts: Can WG hurry up and put her in the game already.


Tier IX Alsace

Type: Design – 1940

  • HP: 76,800
  • Armor Details: 350mm main belt, 170/180mm main armored deck
  • Main Armament: 3×4 380mm/45 Model 1936
  • Firing Range: 23.1 km
  • Rate of Fire: 2.1 or 2.2 rounds/minute
  • HE Shell Damage: 8,900 / 9,000
  • AP Shell Damage: 11,800
  • Secondary Armament: 3×3 152mm/55 Model 1936 + 12×2 100mm/45 Model 1937
  • Secondary Firing Range: 7.0 km
  • Long-Range AA Armament: 12×2 100mm/45 Model 1937
  • Long-Range AA DPS: 182
  • Mid-Range AA Armament: Unlisted amount of 37mm AA weapons
  • Mid-Range AA DPS: N/A
  • Short-Range AA Armament: Unlisted amount of 25mm AA weapons (said to be a new quadruple 25mm MG from Hotchkiss)
  • Short-Range AA DPS: N/A
  • Maximum Speed: 32 knots
  • Turning Circle Radius: 880 meters
  • Surface Detection Range: 16.8 km

Thoughts: She sure does sound like a fun ship to me. I went with the Type 3 design as it retained the quadruple turrets (Type 1 went with triples and Type 2 went with triple 406mm). It is also the closest design to Iowa (or at least the original design specs for Iowa).


Tier X Charlemagne – “Super Alsace”

Type: Design/Proposal

  • HP: N/A
  • Armor Details: N/A
  • Main Armament: 4×4 380mm/45 or 3×3 450mm M1920 (no mounting data exists, but the gun apparently did and was tested)
  • Rate of Fire: 2.2 rounds/minute for the 380mm guns
  • HE Shell Damage: N/A
  • AP Shell Damage: Unknown (1,366 kg shell at 875 m/s)
  • Auxiliary Armament: Purely speculative
  • Maximum Speed: 28 knots (?)
  • Turning Circle Radius: 900 meters +
  • Surface Detection Range: High

Thoughts: This will need to be a fictional hull based off of a “Super Alsace” design. If the 450mm gun is used, the whole thing will be to be loosely based off the fictional “Super Alsace” as any turret design for a French 450mm gun will be massive.